WAR Questions

[AniCelestine]

Yeah, that is a fair point. SE's fix to NIN's TP consumption kinda messed things up a bit. SP -> BB would work in a situation where you're seeing a higher DPS gain for NIN to apply DE than for the WAR to apply SE (would also result in higher WAR DPS I thiiiink?). That obviously greatly depends on the length of the fight, how long the BRD needs to play Paeon, how long the NIN will remain bottomed out, etc. It's a very tricky situation, and tbh I usually see NINs decide to apply DE regardless just to save themselves TP. Would actually love to see if anyone's crunched the numbers/done testing on this as it would be very useful to know.

With really quick testing of using the total combo damage dealt (no auto-attacks included):

a total of 1498 (1872)* damage with SE -> SP combo (SE active when combo performed) no crits.
a total of 1525 (1906)* damage with SE -> BB combo (SE active when combo performed) no crits.
a total of 1493 (1866)* damage with SP -> BB combo (SE active when combo performed) no crits.
a total of 1528 (1910)* damage with BB -> BB combo (SE active when combo performed) no crits.
Maim and Defiance was up on all of the combos.
*I calculated the Defiance's -25% damage off of the total damage so it might be a little off of what I would had gotten if I had made the test with defiance off, but since it's really late this shall be for now
a total of 3098 damage with DE -> AE combo (DE active when combo performed) no crits.
a total of 3271 damage with AE -> AE combo (DE active when combo performed) no crits.
Venom was up on both of the combos.The differences are surprisingly minimal on tank's rotations, but on ninjas on the other hand nearly 200 damage per 10TP used more.
It takes 10 seconds to do the ninja's combo, with 3271 dmg in 10 seconds it's 327,1 dps, times that with 600 seconds (10min) = 196260 total damage
with 3098 the overall damage over 10minutes would be 185880 total damage
the difference is 10380 overall damage, assuming we've got a bard singing /other ninja goading us so we can use the combo uninterrupted.
Also note that I've not included any DoT/Ninjutsu there, just pure combo comprasion.

I didn't include the similiar maths done for warrior, but there's only about 1000 damage difference over the same period of fight on tank stance. (Takes 13 seconds to go through the combos, either SE -> SP or SE -> BB or SP -> BB or BB -> BB)
on warrior's damage with Defiance on there is little to no difference wether you use which combo, dps wise, while without Defiance, it's starting to be a bit bigger, but still arguably unexistant due to critical hits being random.

Note: I normally leave all the maths for the people who does theorycrafting, so I might be off with something, or I might be doing something completely wrong, so don't base any assumptions around this, unless other proof/maths have been done to verify it.

[ShadowYomi]

Quick question is the 10k health with defiance mainly for fcob if so what is the health limit for anything under it?

[Credor]

AniCelestine, in NIN rotation is also two step Spinning Edge -> Shadow Fang combo, so u must include this in calculation of overall DPS, not only DE, AE like in WAR. When u will add DPS from Spin -> Shadow Fang and change time for full NIN rotation (SF -> DE -> AE vs SF -> AE -> AE) - difference will be lower I think.

[SirTaint]

Quick question is the 10k health with defiance mainly for fcob if so what is the health limit for anything under it?

8500 is plenty. And 10k is for t13 t10-12 9000-9500 is plenty.

[Nocturcity]

I honestly don't understand people's HP threshold for T13. As WAR I personally believe T13 is one of the lower HP requirements in FCoB along with T10.
I usually tank with 9.5K and it's plenty.
You barely have to tank in this fight and when you do it's super short and can afford to use your strongest cool-downs.

Although this is personal because of my group, this is how I do the fight.
I only ever have to use Defiance about 5 times in the fight honestly.
3 times for Shadows, 2 of which are Unchained.
Once for the last Pain, which is Unchained.
And once for the 3rd Ahk Morn, which is Unchained, unless it's the last one then it's Hallowed Grounded.

[Blueskyy]

I honestly don't understand people's HP threshold for T13. As WAR I personally believe T13 is one of the lower HP requirements in FCoB along with T10.
I usually tank with 9.5K and it's plenty.
You barely have to tank in this fight and when you do it's super short and can afford to use your strongest cool-downs.

I think it depends on strategy. And also, having 9.5k might sound like a hero but your healers are obviously hving a difficult time

[Nocturcity]

I think it depends on strategy. And also, having 9.5k might sound like a hero but your healers are obviously hving a difficult time

As the poster above said, only the Shadows are any danger to you, the rest of the fight's damage to WAR is negligible.

And that's quite the assumption you're making about my healers, The WHM can reliably solo heal majority of the fight while the SCH just does DPS, only needing to full time heal when I tank the shadows, and if you have a SCH's full attention, there's no reason you should ever die, no matter your HP.

I most likely have the lowest HP possible in full i130 STR BiS (~9.5k in Defiance) and have almost never died due to a healer problem.

So please do not imply my healers are not good without justification.

[Donjo]

So please do not imply my healers are not good without justification.

He was not implying that your healers were not good. The notion that things are more difficult for them actually implies the opposite because to succeed when things are difficult requires that one be skilled.

[Blueskyy]

He was not implying that your healers were not good. The notion that things are more difficult for them actually implies the opposite because to succeed when things are difficult requires that one be skilled.

^ Exactly my point. Thanks

[ShadowYomi]

Was originally leveling a warrior just for something different until i started to enjoy it.Was trying to find a good hp level that would let me use all of my 130 str accessories. Currently have 4 left side 120 and 3 110 pieces. Would the shiva axe be a good investment until i level up my relic?