Uh actually, the other topic was slightly diffrent. I'm wanting to look into the theorys them selves no "Who is or isn't what".

I've found no shortage of vauge refrences but I have found nothing that can prove or even challenge the theorys. Was hoping to attract some one with a counter theory.

This isn't about "Are they connected" cause every one agrees they are.... some how. I started this thread to see if we could figure out if/how and why/why not using the colective knowlage of this Lore Forum and any other source of information.

I havn't ruled out the Possibilty that Lore Guru Anonymose might weigh in (As I'm a fan of his lore theorys my self), and have the vain hope that one day if the topic is discused enough that the devs will give us a solid answer.

But any way, I was ORIGENALLY making a diffrent topic than the onw I was involved in with you two. You just kinda followed me here. ... >_> stalkers. Lol jk.