Ifrit-Egi has higher potency, but less damage...

[Lilyarel]

I did a test on the 2 and Garuda does about 100 more damage than Ifrit with just his basic attack, if he adds his auto attack, he does around the same as Garuda. I dont understand why its like this. Unless Ifrit gets a modifier that ignores enemy armour, Garuda will be the go to choice no matter what. Granted I havnt tested this with the Monk blunt resistance debuff so who knows, maybe thats Ifrit's saving grace. But even then, I'd rather have Garuda as she has contagion which helps with mana management.

[ShinryuReishiki]

Even without slashing/blunt debuffs, Burning Strike + Auto-Attack is about 20% stronger than Wind Blade

[Lilyarel]

Even without slashing/blunt debuffs, Burning Strike + Auto-Attack is about 20% stronger than Wind Blade

But there are times where Ifrit doesnt auto attack. He seems to use it whenever he pleases.

[ShinryuReishiki]

The only time it doesn't auto-attack is if it's not in range or is put on Steady. Otherwise, it will auto-attack every 3s regardless of whatever else it is doing.

[Tex_Mex]

I did a test on the 2 and Garuda does about 100 more damage than Ifrit with just his basic attack, if he adds his auto attack, he does around the same as Garuda. I dont understand why its like this. Unless Ifrit gets a modifier that ignores enemy armour, Garuda will be the go to choice no matter what. Granted I havnt tested this with the Monk blunt resistance debuff so who knows, maybe thats Ifrit's saving grace. But even then, I'd rather have Garuda as she has contagion which helps with mana management.

I am afraid you are mistaken. Ifrit is proven to be significantly higher DPS than garuda once you get weapons with ilvl110 or greater. Not sure how you did your test, but something is incorrect there

[Lilyarel]

I am afraid you are mistaken. Ifrit is proven to be significantly higher DPS than garuda once you get weapons with ilvl110 or greater. Not sure how you did your test, but something is incorrect there

I just had them attack mobs.
Garuda did about 280 per attack
Ifrit did about 190 per attack
My item lvl is 116.

[Tex_Mex]

I just had them attack mobs.
Garuda did about 280 per attack
Ifrit did about 190 per attack
My item lvl is 116.

The damage per attack does not matter. What matters is the total damage over time. Yes, ifrit's main ability only does around 190 per attack, but if you watch closely, there are multiple additional numbers showing up from his auto attack. When you add both the auto attack and his regular attack together, ifrit does about 20% more damage in the same amount of time because Garuda has no auto attack. This is why ifrit's damage output is higher.

Basically:
Garuda: 280 per attack
Ifrit: 190 per attack (ability) plus 145 per attack (auto attack) = 335 per attack

Numbers are not exact, but that is the main point

[Lilyarel]

The damage per attack does not matter. What matters is the total damage over time. Yes, ifrit's main ability only does around 190 per attack, but if you watch closely, there are multiple additional numbers showing up from his auto attack. When you add both the auto attack and his regular attack together, ifrit does about 20% more damage in the same amount of time. This is why his damage output is higher.

Even with his auto attack it did about 100 damage. That added up with his strike is about 290, the same amount of damage Garuda has.

[Tex_Mex]

Even with his auto attack it did about 100 damage. That added up with his strike is about 290, the same amount of damage Garuda has.

There is a little bit more to take into account, like cast times of abilities and such. You will have a hard time seeing it unless you can use a parsing tool. But trust me, the damage difference IS there

You also need to take rouse and spur into account, which both buff ifrit to a greater extent than they buff garuda (due to ifrit's naturally higher attack power)

[Sentinillia]

Garuda does not have auto-attacks in the truest meaning of the word. All her DPS comes from abilites.

I did a quick dummy parse for you to demonstrate:

Garuda-Egi: 89 DPS
Ifrit-Egi: 103 DPS
Ifrit-Egi + Dkick: 115 DPS

The parses were only 3 minutes long and done with the High Allagan Grimoire, but you can see quite a significant difference already.