Dev silence about SMN

[Firepower]

The issue with comparing DRG to SMN is that DRG had AWFUL magic defense so in the final coil it was getting destroyed by magic unavoidable aoe's that no other job in the game was being affected by. Hence the need to buff its Magic Defense, i'm guessing since they was tweaking DRG at that point anyway they decided to balance it's DPS a bit more considering most bosses spin around a lot and DRG was being crippled by missing heavy thrust and impulse drive because of positioning.

SMN's issue is not a survivability or massive DPS drop off, it is just currently weaker than the others because it was the strongest and then all others have now been buffed so its the only unbuffed class (not including BRD which was nerfed for good reason, I accept SMN was nerfed when thunder was removed from cross class) plus they have to be doubly careful about SMN because any changes to Arcanist's skills will directly affect SCH and could then negatively affect WHM. So they are limited in what they can change right now and might not want to tweak the pets due to a potential new EGI coming in the expansion which would need re-tweaking in a few months time.

Finally SMN can complete all content in the game from now up to the expansion (as there is unlikely to be anything more difficult than final coil from now to expansion) and the gear is accessible to the point where it is unlikely to be overlooked by any other job for any content. DRG would still be excluded from final coil today if they didn't buff it due to its harsh mdef penalty it had. Buffs are needed but it is not essential to this period of time and post expansion it could be anyone's guess what the jobs are going to be like.

[Ryu_Hayabusaa]

REAL Smn's are smart. they warp back to town, then switch to Blm. i leave the game, come back and people are STILL crying about smn. make me hate the job even more when all you see is /whine all day about the class. yes we all know the issues, if you have not figured it out by now, SE dont care...

[Shizuna]

*looks through patch 2.5 full notes*

The silence continues and will not be resolved until expansion........ =_=

[Bigcat9715]

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There is actually word about Summoner you just need to use Google translate to find it.

- For job balance but I think that it varies greatly in "Ishugarudo of the Blue Sky", Do you have a job that is scheduled to be adjusted in the patch 2.5 series?

　In particular, I think that's a Summoner who's often have been in care, but while you are doing the currently still adjusting. Originally Summoner to add a new action in the "Ishugarudo of the Blue Sky", it was going to adjust the MP fuel consumption around the Summoner including the additional action. Indeed to 3.0 is that the long period of time, we are carefully adjusted.

　Now it with the approximate prospect and around each content, and we see or not too strong. Since we would also affect the carefully done unless 3.0 of design, we think that as soon as possible, but I would appreciate a little more for your time.

http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/991/991969/

[ShaolinMike]

　In particular, I think that's a Summoner who's often have been in care, but while you are doing the currently still adjusting. Originally Summoner to add a new action in the "Ishugarudo of the Blue Sky", it was going to adjust the MP fuel consumption around the Summoner including the additional action. Indeed to 3.0 is that the long period of time, we are carefully adjusted.

　Now it with the approximate prospect and around each content, and we see or not too strong. Since we would also affect the carefully done unless 3.0 of design, we think that as soon as possible, but I would appreciate a little more for your time.

http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/991/991969/

Is it bad that I actually hear this being said with a Japanese voice in my head?

[Shizuna]

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Yeah, ok, that's great and all, but do I have to look into every single Japanese article/interview to see this? Why do SMNs have to wait at least 3-5 months for a fix? There's just something wrong with this. All I wanted, at the least, was a piety increase and enkindle CD lower. Is that really so hard to ask for? I know MP won't solve everything but that's the very smallest thing I wanted to see if SE cares.

I'm bitching so what? I actually played this class through t10-13; I didn't down all the turns until a month ago, however I know how this class is in end-game content. My opinions are that this class is somewhat weak and needs to get some sort of change now. It shows in the hardcore/highly progressed community that there aren't many SMN left. I only know 4, including me, and 95% of all statics that have casters will be BLM. The class is dying and the only people who are playing it are ones who likes the class despite all these apparent flaws or can only play this class cause they can't play anything else. And I would fit into both those categories, more likely the latter.

My static-mates do really high dps and I compare my dps to them and to hardcore players since better results gives you more insight to what each classes are capable of doing. My static DRG and NIN does at least 500-550, even though they're at low ilvl 120, and my BRD sometimes does equal to how much I do even when playing songs, granted he's at around ilvl 126+. I do around 450-480 dps, but I have to try so damn hard to do that and I'm not even sure if that's good enough.

When I tried t10-12 on BLM, I didn't have to try or think so hard. It felt like I could relax more playing BLM. I'll probably just switch to BLM once I get a better weapon cause my static knows I'm decent at both caster classes. I'm pretty much done struggling with SMN; it impacted me more when I had to do progression with it...

[Khiry]

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I agree 100%
yes we know you rushed the Summoner job Yoshi-P, just admit there was a mistake and move on.
Hell we wouldnt need to have these threads if they would just come out on a public place and freaking say "that they have something planned" or " yes we are looking into it please look forward to it" instead of trying to push the problem under the rug.
I am starting to like them a little less everyday the longer they remain silent on the issue.
the Dev silence is making the problem worst and people are just going to keep being frustrated until something is said Officially to the public not just a few interviews available to a select audience.

[ShinryuReishiki]

There is actually word about Summoner you just need to use Google translate to find it.

A translation by Slycer at BlueGartr here.

I'm sure the job balance will be greatly adjusted when Heavensward is released, but do you have any jobs that you plan to adjust during the patch 2.5 series?
Y: In particular, I think we need to consider Summoner, but we're still working on the adjustments. Originally, we were planning to add new actions to Summoner with Heavensward to adjust MP consumption. However, since 3.0 is still a ways off, we're thinking about other careful adjustments. As we release each piece of content we see which jobs are too strong or not strong enough. We're also focusing on carefully adjusting things for 3.0, so we'd like to make adjustments as soon as possible, but please wait for a bit longer.

[ViviAnimus]

Funny, Shizuna! You might go to BLM to have it a bit more relaxed while I want to play Summoner to have a bit more of a challenge! :P I agree with what you say. I used to be a BLM in first coil, a Summoner in second coil and again a BLM in Final Coil. Have also completed all the turns and Summoner just isn't able to bring the numbers in the same way other classes do. A lot of people don't understand what it feels like to master your class but to be outclassed greatly by those who master other classes equally well. I am absolutely disgusted with SE for not even saying a word about it.

[Akiza]

The problem with the Summoner is a combination of content and Job design. Summoner lacks in key areas needed to be an effective DPS in challenging and hardcore end game content. Summoners lack in sustained damage, single target damage, bursts damage and AoE damage. DoT classes make great bubble healers but poor DPS. Towards the end of 2.4 Summoner's disappeared I'm on the Leviathan server and I don't see any Summoners by now SE has to realize that the job is inherently broken and should overhaul it.