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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    Ninja: Can we get rid of the bunny please?

    Yes, it's cute, it's funny, everyone loves to show it to their friends at first. . . But when you're in battle, and perhaps a lag spike hits or maybe you just make a human error in a clutch moment, that bunny is not so amusing, nor does it help in battle whatsoever. So can we be rid of it? At least in battle?

    I'd settle for a functional, low damage attack even, or my attack at half potency over something completely useless.
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    But then you get rid of an awesome FF6 reference!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    But then you get rid of an awesome FF6 reference!
    They should just make it complete by doing a small AoE heal when the bunny comes out.

    Edit: I just looked it up and it actually does "Restores a small amount of HP to all allies and cures Blind, Poison, and Sleep." (FF6)
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    Last edited by Pots_Talos; 01-12-2015 at 11:36 AM. Reason: Web search
    Dovie’andi se tovya sagain

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    But how else will you show off how bad the mudra lag is?
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    I'd be slightly less annoyed with it if not for the fact that you have to actually use the bunny or wait for it to time out before you can Kassatsu to try to fix your mistake. If it's still sitting on bunnies and you Kassatsu, well, you now have critical bunnies. Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    I'd be slightly less annoyed with it if not for the fact that you have to actually use the bunny or wait for it to time out before you can Kassatsu to try to fix your mistake. If it's still sitting on bunnies and you Kassatsu, well, you now have critical bunnies. Have fun.
    This.

    And Bristol, I did mention human error happens, but so does lag. Can't do anything about that sometimes. And to put it in perspective, if the Ninja's fighting style is built around weaving ninjutsu into physical DPS, then it's a vital part that shouldn't be completely invalidated if and when mistakes happen. Does a Dragoon or Monk completely have no ability to use the final skill in a combo if they don't complete it in sequence, or do they just not gain the additional damage or effects of it? Why then is this vital apsect of Ninja DPS completely unusable AND tied to a cooldown if and when things go wrong, regardless of the player's fault?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    This.

    Does a Dragoon or Monk completely have no ability to use the final skill in a combo if they don't complete it in sequence, or do they just not gain the additional damage or effects of it? Why then is this vital apsect of Ninja DPS completely unusable AND tied to a cooldown if and when things go wrong, regardless of the player's fault?

    Yes, actually they do. They either have to do their combo correctly, or they can't use the top-end (final portion) of that combo. Now, they might not have to wait to re-charge that combo as long as you do, but they also can't change their pattern to get different styles of attacks simply by using their skills in a different order. Another thing Monk and DRG have to contend with to build their combos, is positional requirements (although some of these have been lessened)....basically, your trade-off for not having positional requirements, is having your key 'Ninja skills' potentially screwed up if you combo them wrong/lag. A Monk or DRG can get screwed up in their rotations because they had to dodge/avoid a certain side of the mob and/or lag catches them in the AoE.
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    Last edited by Kinseykinz; 01-12-2015 at 07:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinseykinz View Post
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    Nothing you just said applies to MNK. >_>

    They can change the pattern to get different styles of attacks by using different skills, their combos progress regardless of missed positionals (losing out on at most 50 potency), and even if they do some wonky combo for the first two steps they can still execute their final attacks. About the only thing that you got right is that mechanics and/or lag can mess up their rotation, but let's take a look at what that actually means.

    For lag to make a MNK drop GL3, it would have to be about 5 seconds of lag. Maybe as little as 3 seconds if they used ToD within the rotation. Meanwhile, the NIN gets screwed with at .5 seconds of lag. That's one-tenth as much lag screwing the NIN almost as hard as it screws a MNK.
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    Nope, it's your cone of shame for messing up your Mudra.
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    Ikohyu Kaito
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    Quote Originally Posted by BristolRuss View Post
    Nope, it's your cone of shame for messing up your Mudra.
    Only that some people didn't really mess it up but the mudra lag fucked you up.
    I had that happen to me alot as EU player, but now I'm using WTFast and it works perfectly fine.
    Yesterday I had my first raid where not a single Jutsu went wrong due to mudra lag.

    I was refusing to use WTFast until I came to a point where ninja just wasn't fun for me anymore, because hey the lag strikes and you fuck a jutsu up, now you use Kassatsu and it fucks up again because once the mudra lag hits you it sticks for a while.
    Here I'm not talking about bunnies but the server swallowing a mudra turning a 3 sign mudra into a 2 sign one or the animation for Huton going off, so the next thing to do it attack of course but oh now you have a Bunny on your Ninjutsu hotbar!
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    Last edited by Atreides; 01-09-2015 at 09:41 PM.

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