So, you want to Strength Tank? The Full Comparison and Info!

[Kuwagami]

Or we could just use the damage formulas to tell how much str will buff and never worry about sample size let alone spending hrs hacking at dummies. >_>

great idea. Just how do you figure them out without spending hours on dummies consideing the devs won't hand them ?

[Izsha]

They've already been figured out. Good Samaritans have already done the testing to reverse engineer the damage formulas in this game so we don't have to test every possible combination of gear like in this thread. How do you think we have BIS sets figured out the day gear is released before anyone even has them, or how people worked out the new dps rankings when specifics of drg/nin buffs/nerfs were in patch notes before the servers even went live? I'm at work so I can't really access my spreadsheets, but there are plenty of math heads around here.

[Dervy]

great idea. Just how do you figure them out without spending hours on dummies consideing the devs won't hand them ?

It's called spreadsheets. Most of the work was done before the game was even launched, with the exception of the damage formula which was modified 2 months after release. Post the numbers you want tested and I'll return the values.

Well, that's curious. Why such a small increase between 65 and 95?

Because PLDs have a very high Hits per Second due to their auto-attack speed. Warriors have the lowest auto-attack in game.

Auto-Attack damage takes into account Strength and DET, just like standard abilities and as you're doing more Hits Per Second, the impact Strength on a Paladin is huge, in comparison to the Warrior.

It's similar to how CRT works with SS. Jobs with a higher skill speed have CRT impact their damage a lot more as they're doing more Hits Per Second, meaning a higher Crit Per Second value as well.

Kind of off topic, but does anyone know the conversion of Block Rate into Block Rate %? Higher block rates will affect PLDs DMG due to Spirits Within and I'll need this value for the PLD Model I'm now working on.

[Kuwagami]

It's called spreadsheets. Most of the work was done before the game was even launched, with the exception of the damage formula which was modified 2 months after release. Post the numbers you want tested and I'll return the values.

that was irony >_>

people testing stuff, being told to use formulas instead of testing.. (without giving said formula). Yeah, sounds a good idea to use a formula you don't know

oh well.

[Rbstr]

Because PLDs have a very high Hits per Second due to their auto-attack speed. Warriors have the lowest auto-attack in game.
Auto-Attack damage takes into account Strength and DET, just like standard abilities and as you're doing more Hits Per Second, the impact Strength on a Paladin is huge, in comparison to the Warrior.

Paladin does get a bigger boost, but that's because of sword oath (see end of post), not what you've stated. Strength and the Crit/Det secondaries are approximately linear increases in damage (unless you have something like a crit-based proc). Every one point increase in stat simply multiplies overall damage by some small amount. You may hit more as a paladin but you hit for less and that means the impacts of any particular stat is the same, ratio-wise, as hitting less often for more.

It's similar to how CRT works with SS. Jobs with a higher skill speed have CRT impact their damage a lot more as they're doing more Hits Per Second, meaning a higher Crit Per Second value as well.

Crit has a fixed damage multiplier and rate. So x% crit impacts small fast hits the same as it impacts large long hits as long as the base DPS of the two modes is the same(again, unless there's a crit-based proc-type thing involved). The only difference is that fast hits will normalize to the base crit rate more quickly than slow hits will. That makes slows hits far more likely to under or over-perform in short periods of damage.

The likely real answer is to his question is "small sample size". He's lucky or unlucky with critical hits in his 3minutes. He needs to be multiple rounds of each to statistics.

As far as war v. paly: Paladin is actually one example of non-linearity where simple percentage differences don't happen. Sword oath adds straight potency to auto attacks. That doesn't really affect the weight of any secondary, just how much more damage they do shield vs. sword vs. plain stance and against warriors.