Being punished for playing with friends? (would love dev insight)

[Welsper59]

I wasnt unfond of at the time. also i already proved you point wrong you transferring to get a house just makes se more money and they get your gil they still win win. also it still can be considered punishment as it is a penalty received for a action taken.

People need to stop thinking they're being "punished" when they're only bringing the "punishment" upon themselves. A punishment is something put in place for you committing the exact wrong that it was intended to prevent. The keyword being "wrong", which in that context is committing an offense or breaking a rule/law/etc. You're not breaking or disobeying anything, hence it is not a punishment or penalty.

What you describe is broader and general consequence of your actions and decisions. You're suffering a mistake or a bad or poor decision on your part, be it because of circumstance or not. It is absolutely no different than buying something that you later find out you didn't need/want, saying the wrong thing during an interview, etc. The opposite parties are not out to get you (otherwise known as "punishing" you). You simply have to accept that it was a bad call on your end.

Would it be nice to get a (partial) refund of some kind in the game for removing your house? Sure... but it's not something they need to do (and it can be further abused due to resellers). Just put in the effort to resell if it's that important to you, you lazy bum.

[314159265358979323846264338327]

The housing system in general is just a total disaster. Everyone should know this by now. This whole "ward" system is absolutely atrocious in almost every way when it comes to personal housing. Sure, it's ok for FC housing and the like, since FCs won't run into any issues of transferring and such.

Personal housing should never have been in the wards. Personal rooms should never have been in FC houses. It should have just been a mog house system, accessible from within a FC house or within a city, where once it's yours it's yours forever, no matter what FC you move to or what server you're on.

How they got it right 10+ years ago but oh so wrong now is beyond me entirely. "Vanity" shouldn't be a ball and chain that locks you to a server.

[Shadex]

But they like to punish you for having friends. Want that shiny gold Magitek mount? Too bad because you have to go into instances without grouping with all your friends to get commendations. Want that spiffy lion or bear mount? Aww too bad again because you have to tank for a million PUG groups and leave your friends behind.

Yeah I have tanked Coil for my FC so many times my Coil odometer flipped twice but I still have 6/100000 on my Paladin lion achievement because I am constantly tanking for people I know. Damn me for having friends! What are supposed to do, tell our FCs sorry I can't help any of you, I have to go PUG a nightmare Coil for the next 6 years to get some mount. Anti-social grinding... wait, I get it now. Yup, the future of MMO gaming.

[kyuven]

I always hate games that use the 'gold sink' excuse to make things astronomically expensive. There's always going to be kids that spend their life in-game and have crazy amounts of gold. To wrap content around THEM, screws your average player over big time.

They should remember that it's only the top 10% that can afford all these things and they are shutting out the vast majority of players from content. ...and here I'm referring to housing that everyone should be able to get for a reasonable cost up front. THEN, gil-sink you to upgrade it if they want.

Gil sinks are not for the top 10%
They're for the 90%
For the 10%, that gil on that house is a pittance. They have so much money that spending 3 mill on a house is like you getting repairs.
Instead, a gil sink is to prevent a phenomenon called "mudflation"
In the real world, while money is constantly printed, there's really only ONE source for physical currency per sovereign nation (it's actually a lot more complicated, but that's an economics class worth of information I won't get into) and it's strictly controlled and regulated.
MMOs are the complete opposite. While the amount of money that can be generated is technically finite, functionally every single player is capable of producing a near endless amount of currency to flood the market. As more money enters the market, it begins to become less and less valuable. If there wasn't a high cost gold sink like the housing, then more and more money would flood the market, people would have less and less to spend money on.
Remember, these things are supposed to be a luxury. Something you and/or your FC work towards. As it stands right now, I could afford a small house just by doing a few days' worth of ehcatl nine dailies and t4 runs.
However, and THIS is why we'll never receive vouchers for any sort of value when you change servers, other servers have different economies, and I wouldn't be able to do what I just mentioned as easily on a high pop server, and the houses would be more expensive.
This is because high pop servers produce MORE goods and MORE money, which lowers the value of both. What sells for 300k on my server could sell for 100k on another server, simply due to an increase in supply.
SE does not want to mess with this, thus you will never.
EVER.
See a return on your housing investment unless you set it up yourself.

But they like to punish you for having friends. Want that shiny gold Magitek mount? Too bad because you have to go into instances without grouping with all your friends to get commendations. Want that spiffy lion or bear mount? Aww too bad again because you have to tank for a million PUG groups and leave your friends behind.

Yeah I have tanked Coil for my FC so many times my Coil odometer flipped twice but I still have 6/100000 on my Paladin lion achievement because I am constantly tanking for people I know. Damn me for having friends! What are supposed to do, tell our FCs sorry I can't help any of you, I have to go PUG a nightmare Coil for the next 6 years to get some mount. Anti-social grinding... wait, I get it now. Yup, the future of MMO gaming.

You realize this is an incentive to get people to move out from their ultra inclusive groups and socialize with people OTHER than their friends, right? There are other people playing this game than the people you know. It's great to play with friends, but if you JUST want to play with ONLY your friends, why are you playing a game with 1 million other people also playing?
It's also to encourage people to use the roulette system and be helpful.
Otherwise everyone would have all the commendation rewards by just taking all their friends in to garuda HM and circle jerking commendations.
Also, it's a mount. It's a reward for actually doing that, like an achievement other people can see.

[Nici]

Aunkah....just give it up, take your loss and transfer and enjoy playing with your friends, nothing you say or argue will change anything anytime soon, yes i know you put in so much time and spent so much gil and you didn't know things would change that you would be transferring, things happen....just take your loss and start fresh, a little silver lining....maybe your friends will help you get a new house. *shrugs*

[Parodine]

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The 'mog room' idea of FFXI was nice that it was open to everyone, but I get to own a freaking house in this game. Which is pretty sweet compared to a 10x10 square.

It doesn't lock you to a server. You KNOW when you make the purchase that you can't just sell the house and the land to someone and get your gil back. Purchases are emphasized as final. It's your fault later if people want to complain they're gonna lose money. If you thought there was even a chance of you transferring severs later, then you shouldn't have bought a house in the first place, simple as that.

But they like to punish you for having friends. Want that shiny gold Magitek mount? Too bad because you have to go into instances without grouping with all your friends to get commendations. Want that spiffy lion or bear mount? Aww too bad again because you have to tank for a million PUG groups and leave your friends behind.

Yeah I have tanked Coil for my FC so many times my Coil odometer flipped twice but I still have 6/100000 on my Paladin lion achievement because I am constantly tanking for people I know. Damn me for having friends! What are supposed to do, tell our FCs sorry I can't help any of you, I have to go PUG a nightmare Coil for the next 6 years to get some mount. Anti-social grinding... wait, I get it now. Yup, the future of MMO gaming.

I'm...pretty sure you can get the tank mount with friends o_O You just have to be doing Ex primals or coil as it. It's not like the commendation system.

[Giantbane]

Prices vary from server to server, though. Some people could buy a plot cheap on one server then transfer to another and use their "plot coupon" to get the same plot at a lower price. Or, better yet, what if all those plots are occupied for whatever reason?
Again, it's a gil sink. You're not supposed to get your money back.

Ideally, they could implement a system where you can "box up" your house, where it relinquishes the land and just stores your house in its current state (you'd hope they already have each house stored as a single data collection already ...). You then have the ability to put that stored house on a new plot of land. The boxed up house would remember the value of the land that it occupied and when you put it on a new plot of equal size it counts toward the purchase price of that new land (minus some transfer fee that serves as an additional gil sink).

Now I don't think you should just be able to pick up the house and move it around at will. This would just be something that comes into effect during server transfer, or if they ever decide to implement the abandonment system where you lose your plot of land if you don't access it for some set period of time. Or they could also just allow you to move plots if some more desirable plot of land becomes available that you prefer to the one you currently own (although the transfer fee should be higher in this case than the other two if it were allowed).

It should have limits to how often this can be performed, like only once every 30-60 days to prevent any potential abuse.

[AzakaTonnerre]

I wasnt unfond of at the time. also i already proved you point wrong you transferring to get a house just makes se more money and they get your gil they still win win. also it still can be considered punishment as it is a penalty received for a action taken.

That doesn't prove any point. How would buying a house on a cheaper server and then transferring to a server with a hosing 4 times as expensive be fair to the people who were saving 4 times as much gil as you needed for that voucher? Answer is it would not be. You are looking at this in terms of you, only you, and saying who gives a damn about anyone but you. What Bluevann described is why you cannot do it. It is to level the playing field for all players on the respected servers they are on. If you don't think this loophole would not be exploited if it were made available you are fooling and lying to yourself, people would do exactly what Blue said all the time.

The only reason you don't see that (or simply refuse to) is because you cannot see its impact on players beyond your own selfish self.

As others have said, its not a perfect system. But is in place help the greater good for as many players as it can. If your friends mean that much to you, just transfer. If the gil means more to you then don't.

[Gilthas]

Want that spiffy lion or bear mount? Aww too bad again because you have to tank for a million PUG groups and leave your friends behind.

Huh?

I've been spamming Garuda Ex with pre-made parties these past few weeks and getting the tanking achievements.

[Ashkendor]

Want that spiffy lion or bear mount? Aww too bad again because you have to tank for a million PUG groups and leave your friends behind.

What are you even talking about? You can farm with friends and get credits toward tank mounts.

Yeah I have tanked Coil for my FC so many times my Coil odometer flipped twice but I still have 6/100000 on my Paladin lion achievement because I am constantly tanking for people I know. Damn me for having friends! What are supposed to do, tell our FCs sorry I can't help any of you, I have to go PUG a nightmare Coil for the next 6 years to get some mount. Anti-social grinding... wait, I get it now. Yup, the future of MMO gaming.

If you tanked Coil before the tanking achievements were implemented, you didn't get retroactive credit.

And ffs, 200 runs is NOT that hard to complete.