What's in a Name? (Astrologian Ver.)

[Fusionx]

What are the chances of getting Fernehalwes back in the Dev Tracker? If I remember correctly, he got excluded (or maybe the localization forums?) because of something like a bunch of typo correction post replies getting throw into it?

I think it'd be great for the Dev Tracker sidebar to have some loregasms.

[treuhavik]

loregasms.

Loregasms.

[Omegakiyohime]

I wonder if "certain places" means that we are going to explore the Sharlayan Colony in Dravania.

[Ooshima]

Actually, can someone explain to me what is the difference between Astrologian and Astrologer?

I've checked up dictionaries and they said an Astrologian is an Astrologer

astrologian
Noun
(plural astrologians)

(obsolete) An astrologer.

[Squintina]

Actually, can someone explain to me what is the difference between Astrologian and Astrologer?

I've checked up dictionaries and they said an Astrologian is an Astrologer

That was kind of the point. That attempting to give them 2 different names would not give the same distinction as in japanese because in english they're the same, so they just stuck with the same one that already exists in the game because the people of Eorzea aren't very educated anyway, so even they wouldn't know the difference.

[Alice_89th]

Actually, can someone explain to me what is the difference between Astrologian and Astrologer?

I've checked up dictionaries and they said an Astrologian is an Astrologer

That was kind of the point. That attempting to give them 2 different names would not give the same distinction as in japanese because in english they're the same, so they just stuck with the same one that already exists in the game because the people of Eorzea aren't very educated anyway, so even they wouldn't know the difference.

Yes yes, but what is the real world difference between the two, if any?

[Anonymoose]

Yes yes, but what is the real world difference between the two, if any?

If any, I'd assume it's subjective and fluid. I mean, what's the difference between terrible and terrific? Send that question through a time machine, see if they're curious about your thoughts on the difference between awful and awesome.

For the sake of argument, though? LLLLET'S GET READY TO RAMBLEEEEEEE!

Theologer, theologist, and theologian have all been used in the past in different times and places, but was there a difference in anything but style?

If you aim to pin down the difference, if any, between Astrologer, Astrologist, and Astrologian, try to answer this question: What is the difference between someone who is an (-er), an (-ist), and an (-ian)? You can try rigid syntax, saying that (-er) attaches to verbs and (-ist) attaches to nouns and (-ian) attaches to fields... but how well does that theory hold in practice? Even if you get that far, you fall into a pit of shifting semantic relationships between what you do and what you know and who you are. Are all singers vocalists? What would make either or both a musician?

I don't know much about the Japanese difference, but it looks like there's a slight not-mutually-exclusive difference between skilled and knowledgeable. Ishgardians possess the ability to read the stars to divine the future, Sharlayans possess the knowledge of the spheres required to harness their power. Which one's the Astrologian? To use a different field of study, what if Ishgardians were wonderful gardeners whereas the Sharlayans were knowledgeable horticulturalists, but both were going by the name "Botanist?"

Technique is not always academia, and I suspect that has something to do with the difference between Isghardian Astrologians(士) and Sharlayan Astrologians(師), and why they chose to keep the words pronounced the same in both languages to preserve the insanely hard to articulate nuance, even if it's quite easy to point at them and say, "THAT is not THAT!"

[jomoru]

Yes yes, but what is the real world difference between the two, if any?

Astrologian is the older variant that's fallen out of favor. It makes Eorzea seem less modern by using older versions of the word.

[TinyRedLeaf]

By the way, since we're on the topic of semantics, I'm curious about how the Japanese text differentiates Doman (Japanese) expressions from Eorzean ones. I asked because I'd just unlocked ninja (yes, yes, it took me a while, so bite me), and it occurred to me that...

(ninja questline spoiler)

when Oboro told the Warrior of Light there was probably no "Eorzean" equivalent for what they called themselves, ie, shinobi, this explanation would make sense only if you were reading the text in English (ie, Eorzean).

To players outside of Japan, anything Doman would be as exotic to them as Japanese culture and language would be in real life. That isn't the same for Japanese players. In fact, Doman "culture" would ironically be more familiar to them than "native" Eorzean mannerisms.

Am I making sense?

[Toranja]

We are getting access to a Sharlayan Library? Thanks, Fern!