Once again screwed in a dungeon!

[Azumi1]

Thanks to this item hunt for relic. Those of us with jobs we are trying to level normally are getting screwed out of exp in the dungeons.I no longer have the option to go into a few dungeons now and enjoy running them. The moment I ask people if we could do a exp run, not speed run it for a item, I get kicked out of the dungeon. Finding a party for these dungeons outside of DF is almost impossable.

In my personal opinion this needs to be corrected. An easy fix to do so, would be to make the item unatainable through DF with out first having a preformed party. This would solve the issue of people going after the item, and people trying to level crossing. You could set a option in the DF for people to check that is for leveling or item hunting. (Like the Join in progress button does.) Or just take the thing out of the leveling dungeon all together. Put them in the 50+ dungeons. Look there! A suggestion that would solve the issue with one quick movement of a few lines of code.

[Ruri]

the whole point of having the items drop in the low dungeon is to have high level people lvl sync so those exping can get a party to do the dungeons. It would take much longer que times if only those exping were in the party. So that's the problem.

[Azumi1]

the whole point of having the items drop in the low dungeon is to have high level people lvl sync so those exping can get a party to do the dungeons. It would take much longer que times if only those exping were in the party.

It does not help. I waited 30 minutes to get into that dungeon, @5 minutes, they kicked me. And after I had to wait another hour to get back in.

The problem lies in the fact that lv 50s prioritize themselves and give no concern to anyone possibly leveling still.

This is a fact. Peoples posts here prove it.

Running dungeons isn't the only way to get exp.

Yes there is, but not everyone like to do fates and or Leve's.

Or they could make it so you only get exp in a dungeon if you're in a preformed party, that would have the same effect.

Would be a bad idea to do. Reason being: New players don't know the system or have friends to help. So you'd be screwing they and they'd end up quitting.

[Azumi1]

To op did you ever try asking them to slow down so you can xp? Or at least say something of that nature at start of run?

Yes, after the Ello's it was the first thing I asked. @5 minutes in I got kicked. (Has happened more then once.)

I have leveled almost every job to 50 now. I have been playing for over a year, and I have leveled more then 1 character. I know how things on here work. As I've seen it all come and go. I myself prefer to use dungeons to level. As dungeons actually teach you your job. Fates and Leve's do not. That's why when you get into a 50 roulette and your tank can't hold hate. It's because all they did was Leve's and Fates, and don't know how to hold hate.

All I'm asking is that something be done. That way speed runners and exp'ers don't cross paths. As for roulettes... Give and extra tomb bonus for killing all mobs. Or like I said. Make a exp option button on the DF page. But don't group item hunters in with exp'ers. It's not good.

[Azumi1]

I have met many new people that complain about this a lot. And it's not a good way to get people to stick around on your game if they feel they're just wasting there time getting screwed out of a exp run that is meant to be fun and help them learn how to play.

And frankly I see it as nothing more then bullying those people. If 3 people are in a dungeon for a item hunt / speed run. and the 4th is there for exp. And they kick that 4th person. Yes that is bullying.

Like I said I have relic. I've played almost every job now to 50. But when I go into a dungeon under 50 I'm respectful to others. And if I'm there alone for a item. Even if one or two others are also. If there is 1 person there for exp. As tank I will pull everything. It's called respect. Something a lot of people now a days don't have. Well that and common sense.

[Anty]

the whole point of having the items drop in the low dungeon is to have high level people lvl sync so those exping can get a party to do the dungeons. It would take much longer que times if only those exping were in the party. So that's the problem.

Well... that is one of the bad choices SE made to keep older content "fresh" buy forcing ppl via quests to do stupid dungeons all over again, up to a point where ofc they are pissed and want to get it over with.
in my oppinion it will have the exact opposite effect in the long run. I will def. not Q low lvl anymore cause all these forced repetitive content makes me hate the dungeons.

and please no replies like "nobody is forcing you to ... ".

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The problem lies in the fact that lv 50s prioritize themselves and give no concern to anyone possibly leveling still. They're not there to help, they're there for tomes, or whatever drop they need for THEIR concerns. Anything else is irrelevant. Thus you get healers tanking, tanks overpulling and overtasking healers who are leveling, overzealous DPS, etc. . . The list goes on.

My motivation to run dungeons, or even get tomes from roulettes has hit an all time low because of this, and that's terrible. Those Solo/GC Party dungeons really need to be a thing soon.

[BillyBones]

Running dungeons isn't the only way to get exp. You can do fates or levequests OR make a premade party yourself, just as you suggested. Is it really that hard to understand that a person who had to run the same lowlvl dungeon without getting a drop 10-20-30 times in a row wants to get it over with as fast as possible? Can you really blame them?

[Meklore]

Running dungeons isn't the only way to get exp. You can do fates or levequests OR make a premade party yourself, just as you suggested. Is it really that hard to understand that a person who had to run the same lowlvl dungeon without getting a drop 10-20-30 times in a row wants to get it over with as fast as possible? Can you really blame them?

Conversely, running low level dungeons isn't the only way to get tomes either.
A lot of people are running dungeons for exp and you are cheating them out of it.
How would you feel if you got cheated out of all your tomes?

The system isn't perfect and I know that running the same dungeons over & over is about as exciting as watching grass grow but cheating players out of exp points just to get your tomes is selfish on your part, plain & simple.

[BillyBones]

Conversely, running low level dungeons isn't the only way to get tomes either.
A lot of people are running dungeons for exp and you are cheating them out of it.
How would you feel if you got cheated out of all your tomes?

The system isn't perfect and I know that running the same dungeons over & over is about as exciting as watching grass grow but cheating players out of exp points just to get your tomes is selfish on your part, plain & simple.

OP was talking about the new relic quests, not about tomes. There is absolutely no way to get around the lowlvl dungeons if you want to upgrade your relic, your point is invalid.