Once again screwed in a dungeon!

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Does everyone not remember the que times before they gave incentive to return to old dungeons? DPS on Aether waited upwards of two hours for certain dungeons.

The reason for that was largely that many people were leveling Rogue/Ninja, and many others were simply light farming from specific instances - namely the quickest ones like Primals or Coil runs. So it's really not a matter of relic-oriented players doing any favors to the rest, but that the scales were rebalanced in terms of roles queuing for dungeons.

Also, aisustrong, that torn gear is used by crafters to make gear of a more relevant level. So it's not immediately useful, but can be made to be.

[Coldheart]

100% clear dungeon: X tomes
Finish dungeon: X/2 tomes

Word it as you wish, but basically get 2x tomes if you cleared the whole thing, or half as many if you just skipped optional spawns and rushed to the end. It would be up to whomever implemented it to decide if they want to implement such a thing by lowering the current clear reward or just adding a bonus on top if they take their time to clear.

That's a great idea.

I ran Satasha (story) more than 30 times and only once a experienced player (as tank) asked if people wanted "speed or full" run.

I have no problems with speedruns (but, personally, I don't like much), but I think it's somewhat selfish to do a speedrun when the party has players doing the dungeon for the first time.

[Ashkendor]

The reason for that was largely that many people were leveling Rogue/Ninja, and many others were simply light farming from specific instances - namely the quickest ones like Primals or Coil runs. So it's really not a matter of relic-oriented players doing any favors to the rest, but that the scales were rebalanced in terms of roles queuing for dungeons.

Also, aisustrong, that torn gear is used by crafters to make gear of a more relevant level. So it's not immediately useful, but can be made to be.

Pretty sure he's talking about waaaaay before ninja and light farming.

Like, before duty roulette was implemented.

[Laesha]

Separating 50's and exp farmers would lead to impossibly long que times for exp farmers. It would be an absolute disaster, especially for dps. At least 1 reason for this is the extra exp incentive given to tanks. Tanks are situated in such a way right now that they level exponentially faster than any other class. They are almost always up for the "adventurer in need" bonus, they can decide to do full clears, they can do several dungeons by the time a dps can do 1. So not only would this take, i'd say, the majority of tanks (level 50 tanks) out of your ques, but you'd be left with the tanks who could, if they chose to do so, easily level through those dungeons in a single sitting. In fact, i remember when i was leveling my first class, a paladin, to 50, i didn't set foot in AV until after i had reached level 50 specifically because of how difficult i heard it was. (so i would never 1's have contributed to anyone's exp with AV, ever, if things had been set up like you suggest) Diluting the pool of tanks for AV and Darkhold is a terrrible terrible idea.

All that is not to mention the false dichotomy of your suggestion. :P The fact that the issue is being presented as "speed runs vs. full clears" is a little on the ridiculous side because you still get exp. while the level 50 player get's nothing. Lots of mobs are unavoidable (sans sac pulls), especially in darkhold. dang!

OP says they prefer to use dungeons to level as opposed to FATES or Leves, but here's the thing. Dungeons require you to play with other players. You won't always get what you want. Ppl have different goals and sometimes you have to compromise. That's just how it is. You are absolutely 100% NOT going to guilt me into doing a full clear of AV. At the same time, i dont' plan on sac pulling since to do that successfully i would, most likely, need a premade group. But yes, i will be taking the most direct path. You will still get a healthy chunk of exp from the mobs along the way and the bosses.

^_^ this is called compromise. Everyone is equally unhappy making progress toward their different goals. ^_^

Additionally, in all the runs i did for my relic quest (as a whm to gather light), i never had a sub 50 tank. Nor did any tank even once suggest a sac pull for DD or AV. I've also never seen anyone get kicked for "asking". What i HAVE seen someone kicked for: asking, being turned down, then pulling extra mobs when they don't get their way, or pouting and sulking while the rest of the group proceeds without them. If you did get kicked for only asking, you have my sympathies, but in my experienced a kick usually takes a lot more than that.

The name of the game is compromise.

[dcgregorya]

Honestly I'm pretty new to the game (played about a month)...but I've already racked up over 100 player commendations doing dungeons...and I've never once been kicked for suggesting to do full treasure chests or exp. In fact I've never been kicked from a party period. And I do play all 3 roles back and forth.

Me thinks this thread is highly exaggerated.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Bear in mind, you've only played for a month. You may have yet to see what some of us who've been playing for at LEAST a year have seen.

And we've seen a lot.

I would hope you never run into some of the not so great things discussed here.