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    Staris Fate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    The PvP nerf to Cleric Stance happened because SE determined that healer DPS was simply too powerful in this context. If they ever decide that healer DPS is too powerful in PvE, then they'll probably happily do the same thing. I'd argue that they've already made an attempt to nerf healer DPS in relation to the Final Coil by barely increasing the Accuracy given to healer gear.

    Except in First coil we had no accuracy gear, cept crafted (ACC at that really). (and could miss)
    They added it to gear in coil 2, but still needed food or novus to cap. (minor buff)
    In coil 3 they made it crazy crazy easy with equivalent 110 crafted gear. (huge buff)

    If you don't think full crafted left / right side (and accuracy on the SCHs) was used in worlds first, you might not understand this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    This argument is funny. Someone who gives this kind of statement(the other similar one being "If tanks weren't meant to do damage, their attacks wouldn't deal damage, just generate threat") forgets something very important: What if the Healer is alone? Offensive spells and Cleric Stance are given to healers so that they can still kill gs if they're alone. We're just lucky that SE doesn't turn these skills off in instances, as that would set quite a horrible precedent.

    make them not work in dungeons?
    like how cleric stance doesnt work in pvp?
    clearly its intended.
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    Sumimi Sumomo
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    Some people like playing support, and being the person healing and keeping everyone alive is (of course) a healer's primary job.

    A healer's secondary job can be numerous, and it's up to the healer to decide what to do with their spare time.

    This begs the question, what CAN a low-level CNJ do with their spare time? Let's see.

    1. Cleric's Stance > DPS: This is the default thought that most will conclude at simply because it's the most available option. However, it also eats away at a CNJ's very limited MP pool, and having 0 MP left when the boss is at half health may not be the best thing in the world. A CNJ who can manage to keep their MP at sufficient levels while putting in some DPS will reduce a dungeon's run time. This has an even bigger effect when WHMs realize that their Holy is the second hardest hitting AOE in the game.
    2. Provoke > Foresight > Convalesce: Tank taking too much damage, can't keep him up? Why not split the damage? You can actually cross class tank skills and tank those casters that your tank forgot, so that your DPS classes can get their positionals in.
    3. Cast Support Spells: A low-level CNJ has a few abilities they can take. Mantra, Eye for an Eye, Virus, Blizzard II. While some have cooldowns, some times they do come in handy when one gets an unexpected large pull. I've had blizzard II save me numerous times, as well as other DPS/Tanks during their Oh !@#$ moments.

    As for scholars, you're already in your 30s before you start healing. And in low level dungeons, you could cross class the same as the above, plus stoneskin.
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    Last edited by Sumimi; 01-08-2015 at 06:49 AM.

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    Aranea Asmodai
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    As people before me already mentioned, everything low-level is boring since XIV is one of those mmo's that really only start once you reach 50. It's a shame since it really makes it difficult for new people to find any motivation to keep playing/ paying for their sub. Just look at WoW all you can do until 85 is spam dungeons and do a couple quests. XIV's main story may be appealing but it often boils down to these usual mmo tedium
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    Mighty Miggles
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    Fisher Lv 50
    In all seriousness though, learn to do and love dps. Hardly ever is it the case a healer is required to heal every gcd, so you might as well whip out that cleric's stance and stance dance.

    Ss Tt Aa Nn Cc Ee Stance, Dance!
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    Futo Mononobe
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    Considering the conjuror and white mage quest line (and the scholar quest line) balancing DPS with healing is the entire point. More DPS focus for scholars, but balance is still a theme for white mage. Even that girl is told she's wrong for only healing....
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    Risk Solis
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    Balmung
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    No one's saying to not play however you want to or like to (as long as it's not detrimental to the other people you're playing with obviously)

    I'm healing and DPSing as I type this out lol. Agreed that players should choose how to use the tools available to them though. As with the main topic of the thread, if they're bored with low level healing, they can toss out some damage spells. If they're content healing then there's nothing wrong with that really though of course a little more damage never hurts.
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    Ellunavi Sevald
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    Some people have mentioned it and some people have mentioned against it but:

    CNJ is probably the funnest class when it comes to low level grinding. Learn how to DPS while healing now before it becomes a lot harder to do later. If you learn how to do it efficiently earlier on you will just become a bigger asset to your team come end game stuff.
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavieh View Post
    Some people have mentioned it and some people have mentioned against it but:

    CNJ is probably the funnest class when it comes to low level grinding. Learn how to DPS while healing now before it becomes a lot harder to do later. If you learn how to do it efficiently earlier on you will just become a bigger asset to your team come end game stuff.
    It's too bad then that SCH is infinitely more suited to doing DPS at endgame :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    It's too bad then that SCH is infinitely more suited to doing DPS at endgame :/
    It is pretty sad , WHM can still deal some reasonable dmg. Lucrezia's and Collisions WHMs do above 120 DPS each encounter... But that is the higher end things of course, I'd like to think that most WHM's have a 50 or so DPS potential per encounter, just takes a little more focus from them.
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