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    Chewy2nd's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalex View Post
    We are nothing but puppets...Puppets of Hydaelyn...
    Well there is that theory that the echo is Hydaelyn's form of tempering people, lol.
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    An unfair one. You don't see the Warrior of Light shoving Hydaelyn down anyone's throat. As a matter of fact, he only acquiesces Hydaelyn's existence when interloped by another.
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    He doesn't mind us conducting trials so close to his bazaar, so long as he's properly compensated... Yes, Portus, we pay him in sorcery-blasted bird flesh. - Cocobygo

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    I don't imagine we aren't scarred by this point, but every scar is just the flesh of the cut knit back together and tempered even tougher.

    We're godslayers. Some could even mistaken us for creatures walking freshly out of legends, only these legends are born in their own years. They are watching us chisel history into the stone of history by the edge of our blades.

    Perhaps we are tempered by The Crystal, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're thralls. It could simply mean we're being groomed for a position of protection or leadership among those who may have no such defense otherwise.
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    Don't forget TP Bleed.
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    Well the WoL is definitely tempered. I mean he/she is just wordlessly obeys the commands of an omnipotent being from another dimension without ever questioning it.

    yes, I am talking about the fact that WoL is a videogame character.
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    You've got a point. If you don't look at the player character as someone who has agency and choice within the world, and we're just playing out their predetermined actions, then they're definitely just another thrall forwarding another agenda.

    I don't think that's how we're meant to look at it, though. They speak at dev panels often enough about choices and so on, that if we have been tempered by the Crystal, it's less like the way the primals do it, and more like how the Fal'cie take control of the L'cie in XIII. They have an endgame they can't appropriately interpret, and are free to pursue it however they wish as they try to decipher it.

    I suppose the main difference we can definitely recognize here is that XIV has good writing.
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    Yeah, if the echo is similar to tempering, it doesn't turn them into mindless drones like Drowning/Tempering does, since the Warriors of Light still persue activities outside of what Hydaelyn wants us to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewy2nd View Post
    Yeah, if the echo is similar to tempering, it doesn't turn them into mindless drones like Drowning/Tempering does, since the Warriors of Light still persue activities outside of what Hydaelyn wants us to do.
    Because Hydealyn is smart enough to make us act as if we aren't tempered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChazNatlo View Post
    I always assumed they were kind of dumb, but insane would explain things as well.
    I would have to agree with this. Especially when I see my character taking part in the Hildebrand quests. I'm always like "why are you doing that? You would NEVER do that", when my character makes a stupid emote in the Hildebrand cut scenes.
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    Or we could go the FF10 route and say its all the dream of a dead guy or something like that...
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