Need some advice on bard dps in final coil.

[Tex_Mex]

You are only moving as and when required because unlike the physical dps on the other side, you don't have to stay in melee range to soak repelling cannons. And good BLM knows how to move and cast.

A good magical DPS member attacking cube will be smart enough to stay within range of the healers that are travelling with the sphere party so that they can be in range for medicas. Sure, you can stand off to the side and never move if you like, but it will make your healer's job harder. And yes, good BLM players understand how to move without losing much DPS, I was merely pointing out that that portion of the fight had a lot of movement to it, since the whole group is rotating around the arena and noone can stand in the center

[Ooshima]

Of course there are definitely variables that would make BV Foe more favorable over BV Paeon. I also mentioned it "Maybe" more favorable for OP to BV Paeon over Foe depending on his setup. There is definitely sound logic behind using BV Paeon over BV Foe in certain situations.

Personally the only time I would BV a Paeon is when shit really happens and your melees are dead, raised without Invigorate on hand. Then maybe.

A good magical DPS member attacking cube will be smart enough to stay within range of the healers that are travelling with the sphere party so that they can be in range for medicas. Sure, you can stand off to the side and never move if you like, but it will make your healer's job harder. And yes, good BLM players understand how to move without losing much DPS, I was merely pointing out that that portion of the fight had a lot of movement to it, since the whole group is rotating around the arena and noone can stand in the center

That's of course, but OP's team might not know. That 15% difference on that cube is puzzling, just pointing out what the mage might have done wrong. 15% is just too much considering cube have significantly less HP.

[Xellos2099]

just to continue the story, i was in t12 training pt the other day. No one is saying my dps is low.. but someone say at t12 a bard should be able to do upward of 400-450 while a monk is 500+. I am not seeing how it is possible but then my bard is a bit under gear for t12. Also I use controller so I can't strafe. But would losing on auto attack account for 100 dps lost?

[Ooshima]

just to continue the story, i was in t12 training pt the other day. No one is saying my dps is low.. but someone say at t12 a bard should be able to do upward of 400-450 while a monk is 500+. I am not seeing how it is possible but then my bard is a bit under gear for t12. Also I use controller so I can't strafe. But would losing on auto attack account for 100 dps lost?

Your weapon is IL110 Novus - which is a tad low by average standards. Unless you are those dudes from Lucrezia/Collision who pushes numbers to the limits, then you need to do something about your weapon, real soon. IL115 weapon is kind of the minimum standards where the first few teams who cleared T12 in week 1 of Patch 2.4 still barely scratch the hard enrage timer.

400-450 is definitely attainable once you have a better weapon and gear combination at around IL120ish but it also depends how much songs you have to play for your team. During progression you might need to play extended periods of ballad for your WHM which will definitely make a dent in your DPS.

Auto-attack wise, given my current gear set up at IL122-123, auto attacks are about 80DPS without any buffs used. In an actual battle, with buffs it should contribute to an higher amount, as such losing auto attacks frequently could cost you some DPS as well.

[Empty-handed]

wah 450 in t12? this is without songs/drg?

in our last clear i was 425dps on t12. this was my gear set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P5RG i120 using lava toad hq accuracy food. (i got t12 pants after clear )

for my static we run 2brds 1drg 1blm setup. the other bard (my beloved) is on tp song duty.

he opens with foe+bv. i follow with foe+bv. then in p2 he sings tp song. and from their we rotate foe. (tp/mana songs during plumes in last phase and transitions).

t12 is hard to judge dps. since during bennues sometimes we hold dps till the big bennu spawns waiting for the flames of rebirth (while small bennus at 10%hp)

if you wanna judge dps. judge for p1/2 only :/ t10 is good indication of dps. since there are no breaks!

[Xellos2099]

Well, I have the ha bow to use but i am using the novus to get light.. working on relic

[Empty-handed]

you need a better bow for t12 ><

if you want to hit +400dps

[Ooshima]

wah 450 in t12? this is without songs/drg?

in our last clear i was 425dps on t12. this was my gear set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P5RG i120 using lava toad hq accuracy food. (i got t12 pants after clear )

for my static we run 2brds 1drg 1blm setup. the other bard (my beloved) is on tp song duty.

he opens with foe+bv. i follow with foe+bv. then in p2 he sings tp song. and from their we rotate foe. (tp/mana songs during plumes in last phase and transitions).

t12 is hard to judge dps. since during bennues sometimes we hold dps till the big bennu spawns waiting for the flames of rebirth (while small bennus at 10%hp)

if you wanna judge dps. judge for p1/2 only :/ t10 is good indication of dps. since there are no breaks!

Control your DPS on the bennus properly so that one dies after another, it is doable.

Right now if your team deals with P1/P2 fast enough, there is no need for any Paeon at all (when you are DPS-ing). After the 4th Bennu dies in P2, immediately play Paeon as Phoenix jumps into phasing and switch to Foe Req once the bennus spawns. You should manage to pull about 2-3 ticks there which is good. At around 10 stacks of flames, P3 should be ideally done and you have another 2 ticks of auto regen or so until Phoenix returns and becomes attack-able. P4 itself have 2 breaks which means you won't have TP issues either.

In between the 2 breaks you can play Ballad if your WHM needs it. The WHM I ran with this week doesn't need any Ballad literally but I still top him up a little during the 1st jump in P4, then I change to Foe Req for the rest of P4.

For DPS wise, I asked one of the group in my FC, the Bard dealt 470 for T12 this week, but there is a dragoon in the team. He uses the 125 relic and average IL about 125ish as well.

[SunnyHirose]

Well, I have the ha bow to use but i am using the novus to get light.. working on relic

Ooh, don't farm light in a weekly raid you're still learning and is tuned to a higher gear level than that. Always show up in your Lightsday best!

Best regards,
someone whose best weapon being Novus was a contributing factor to holding back our T12 clear

[Xellos2099]

Of course I ma using my ha bow while raiding XD.