Quelling Strikes

[Ooshima]

You can pre-pop Quelling and Raging before you start F2/Flare-ing. You can also pre-pop Quelling for bosses/primals. There's no real reason not to use Quelling with Raging at some point, it's a good safety net for bad tanks and it won't cost you any DPS time if you pre-pop it.

So? If the tank is going to pull pack by pack then QS doesn't save you anyways. Okay, maybe for that one pack before the next refresh.

Bad tank is bad anyways. An average tank can typically hold a non RS double flare. Not sure what's so difficult in holding trash though. :/

One way I deal with them is to hard cast flare then swift-flare instead of swift-flare to see if fire2 or another hard cast flare.

If that hard flare caught aggro, that swift flare would probably settled everything.

[SpookyGhost]

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You only need QS for RS. I dunno what you're really saying here. If the tank is losing aggro to non-RS anything then there's nothing you can do, that's just the tank being bad.

[Synestr]

I am not sure that pre-popping of QS or RS is efficient. Wasted time and all, especially in the case of RS. I don't pop it untill after Astral Fire III is up so I get the most out of my F2's and Flares / F1's>Flare rotations. Kind of a standard DPS thing I think, maximize the up time of your buff as much as possible. I use QS a lot. I find, at times, it's easier used when you start to see that little dorito pop up next to the MOBs names...then watch is slowly turn to a gum drop.

[Defteros]

I main BLM, but I'm leveling up both WAR and PLD, so I can a bit understand both sides....

as a BLM, my Quelling Strike usage is kinda situational.
I usually look at the aggro list, whenever I'm going to use Flare (even when convert is not up), so if I see that the aggro list is "safe", I save up Quelling for another occasion.
I usually don't bother with Quelling Strikes, if I'm way overgeared compared to the tank, and there is just 1-2 mobs close to death. I'll eventually pull from the tank, put on Manawall/ward and burn them down.
I don't use Quelling Strikes either, when I see that the tank is REEEEEALLY bad, and just lose aggro every time I cast fire1.

on the Tank side, I find it hard to lose aggro from a BLM, unless he is like in full poetics gear and doesn't give a rat's ass about aggro, and I'm sitting at lv30ish gear.... I don't even bother taking the aggro back...

what I find really frustrating, are triggerhappy bards. these folks like to pull earlyer, not even bothering to wait till I use Tomahawk/Shield Lob
generally speaking, i can't stand dps with 0 vision of the other party members.
It happens, sometimes, that while I'm getting closer to a mob so that I can use Lob/Tomkahawk, I get aggroed form a near mob instead.... by the time I cast 1-2 Flash, the've already started dpsing everithing that moves.
or, even worse, people that while I'm doing my rotation on a group of mobs, they go ahead and pull to me another one. just because they're sick of doing the dungeon for the Animus book.

oh, and let's not forget Triggerhappy WHm with fluid Aura. I want to kill them all.

[Synestr]

oh, and let's not forget Triggerhappy WHm with fluid Aura. I want to kill them all.

Made me LOL....

...and that ladies and gentlemen, is a wrap!

[stoxastic]

If I'm pulling the boss as WAR, I would much prefer to use a storm combo (low enmity) first as opposed to my butcher's block combo to get maim up asap. Having quelling here can be very helpful. I can imagine a BLM pulling hate without it.

[FranSeara]

QS is good for any caster jobs. I use it on my Smn,Blm and Bard (of course) Its a helpful tool that should be used from time to time. Also, if you are overgeared and have a Full understanding of your job, get SQ. The damage diffearnce from an tank's say item level 90 compared to a Smn's item lv say 115 is great. You need QS if you plan doing any meaningful DPS'ing in some cases. ps: Using QS is not gimping yourself.

[Ryock]

I'll admit... I often pull aggro off the tank at the beginning of a fight, even if I start with thunder 2. From there it becomes a downward spiral. I know I need to get quelling, but like a lot of people here have said, most blms(including myself) just don't wanna play bard to get quelling. I apologize though; I am fully aware it is my fault. I'll sometimes give the tank a good 5-10 seconds before I start casting just so he can maintain aggro. Maybe one day I'll go suck it up and grab it >.>

[Ooshima]

You only need QS for RS. I dunno what you're really saying here. If the tank is losing aggro to non-RS anything then there's nothing you can do, that's just the tank being bad.

It's just a general statement because the general notion here seems to point towards BLM using QS, RS used or not.

Which is why I said, if the tank is as bad as the one mentioned below, no shit can be done about it (wait 5-10s for tank to hold aggro first, wtf I might as well play melee DPS instead of BLM).

And yes I do happen to play with tanks in DF that I'd just tell them (Flash)(Yes, Please)(If you would be so kind)

I'll admit... I often pull aggro off the tank at the beginning of a fight, even if I start with thunder 2. From there it becomes a downward spiral. I know I need to get quelling, but like a lot of people here have said, most blms(including myself) just don't wanna play bard to get quelling. I apologize though; I am fully aware it is my fault. I'll sometimes give the tank a good 5-10 seconds before I start casting just so he can maintain aggro. Maybe one day I'll go suck it up and grab it >.>

[point09micron]

I main BLM, and I'm trying to get into the habit of using Quelling as soon as it's off cooldown, unless I know I need to save it for some adds about to pop. It's instant-cast and off-GCD, so it's not like there's a DPS hit. There's no good reason not to use it whenever possible.