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  1. #11
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    Ricdeau Cyton
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    It is hard to say you are doing something without visual proof. I can make a video hitting only 1 > 2 > 3 and say I am doing 600 DPS. From his opener and rotation, I have a hard time believing the numbers he is saying is true.
    Oh, I agree. I was just saying that he mentioned his friend was doing the parsing, and from the video it looks like he's playing on PS4. I'd also add that 3 minutes isn't really a sufficient timeframe for a parse. Hell even 4-4:30 that you see from a lot people when they go TP dry isn't that good to display sustained damage when we have fights that can last ~10 minutes with very high uptime. With how slow you attack in this game it takes a while or crit rates to level out. That's why we'll see people cherry picking a shorter parses that are much higher because of good luck with crits. I pretty commonly see 10-15 DPS variations when doing fairly short parses when one will have 25% overall and another will be 35+% overall.
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    Last edited by Ricdeau; 01-06-2015 at 01:19 AM.

  2. #12
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    Butta Stackz
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    So far the only differences i can see is that you open with Kassatsu (ewww lol) and that you substitute a Raiton for a shorter GCD Shiruken. I'm not sure why the Shiruken was used can anyone break this down for me?

    I know that Shiruken is best used in situations where you wont have enough time to refresh Suiton (Sub 20 seconds) if you perform a Raiton. But it doesnt seem to be the situation in the video.

  3. #13
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by PROBOUND View Post
    I know that Shiruken is best used in situations where you wont have enough time to refresh Suiton (Sub 20 seconds) if you perform a Raiton. But it doesnt seem to be the situation in the video.
    It has been debated if Fuma Shuriken is overall more viable if you have really bad mudra lag. However, in a normal situation, Raiton is much better. There are certain situations like the adds in T11 that are resistant to thunder damage and it is actually better to use Fuma Shuriken on those. Right now, Fuma Shuriken is situation based at best.
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  4. #14
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    Ellunavi Sevald
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Right now, Fuma Shuriken is situation based at best.

    ^^^ This

    If you have bad mudra delay than Fuma will always be better. Ideally Raiton is always better though.
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  5. #15
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    Clouwd Templar
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    I told you guys if you want a proof, i will ask my friend to record but u won't see witch spell i use, you will only see the parser... but okay.

    i'm between 500 - 530 DPS on 3min, and i think with a better use of kassatsu i could do more damage.

    And for the fuma shuriken... i had 16-17sec on my fûton and i don't know why but i have a lot of "mudra lag" (maybe cuz im playing on Ps4) that's why i did the Fuma shuriken, i lose 4 sec on futon.
    If i did Raiton i lose like 7-8sec on Fûton..
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    Last edited by Clouwd9; 01-06-2015 at 04:38 AM.

  6. #16
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    Roegadyn Masterrace
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    Tonberry
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    Ninja Lv 70
    You must have far better ping than i do. Because i do a similar rotation (no kassatsu suiton at the start) and i can only seem to get around 465 or so at around 3 minutes.
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  7. #17
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    i have 'mudra lag" like everyone on PS4 i think i have a pretty good connection.

    Maybe i have a better stuff or i don't know i tried again 4/5 times this evening with my friend, im constantly between 500 - 530.

    Btw yeah don't do the kassatsu at the beginning, that's sucks. lol
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouwd9 View Post
    i have 'mudra lag" like everyone on PS4 i think i have a pretty good connection.

    Maybe i have a better stuff or i don't know i tried again 4/5 times this evening with my friend, im constantly between 500 - 530.

    Btw yeah don't do the kassatsu at the beginning, that's sucks. lol
    What gear do you have?
    EDIT: You have pretty similar gear to me. Not sure what is giving you at least 40 more dps than me. Hmmm
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  9. #19
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    You can see all my gear in the vidéo, may be i have 40 more dps because i'm training a lot every day, to be fast etc... ?
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  10. #20
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clouwd9 View Post
    I told you guys if you want a proof, i will ask my friend to record but u won't see witch spell i use, you will only see the parser... but okay.
    I wouldn't come in here saying you do this much DPS under a different rotation from normal without visual proof. Rather it be a video of your friend parsing you or what not. Especially since some have found faults in your rotation already.
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