DF zombies.

[Eye_Gore]

So as of lately I have been running the adventurer in need in the DF for the bonus to gear up Ms Freebush. I never really had any issues with people in dungeons, well atleast until I knew what a tank was suppose to do (my first mmo).

Has repeated dungeon runs turned people into zombies? Whenever the dungeon launches I always say my hello, and ask what is the expectation. I can't do large speed run pulls, but I can go fast, slow, full clear or straight on to the boss. Most of the time, no reply, they just take off. At certain points throughout the dungeon I will ask how everyone is doing, do we need to change up anything, most of the time nothing. My last run on Brayflox last night, I did a little test, didn't say anything at the start, just to see. Sure enough not a peep out of anyone the whole time. Zombies.

Is this what the grind has turned people into? Is it really worth it in the end for a piece of gear, to turn you into something like that? Just seems alot of folks are miserable playing the game, like the actual fun of gaming was lost. Is this what happens in other MMO's? This is probably the only one I'll ever own, I do very much enjoy playing it and helping out people, but there sure seems to be alot of mute angry people in it.

PF doesn't look much better, judging by alot of the comments I see in there. Has this game turned into a job for most people, or is this the norm for MMO's? Atleast in other games with general chat enabled you could yell at one another and have some semblance that you are playing with another human being.

[Oblitae]

To be cruel, most people just won't communicate to begin with. If you're running dungeons all day (like I've been doing to level nin) you usually atleast wanna have some fun with the other people in your duty, right? Fuckin' annoying when no one communicates in any way then ends up being terrible skill-wise anyway. Like c'mon Brayflox is NOT T9 LOL. But yeah, lazy people not being aware of the fact they are playing an MMO with other people, not just themselves. Pretty sure that's why people had trouble with Ramuh EX too. Easy fight but you had to be aware of other people. - Something most cannot even fathom doing..

Maybe I'm just a little scorn.

[RayneBoemir]

You have to understand that you are forced to run these damn dungeons for everything multiple times; furthermore any time you are talking in dungeons is time wasted not moving further in the dungeon, and also you will probably die if you are not dodging stuff.

[Eye_Gore]

You have to understand that you are forced to run these damn dungeons for everything multiple times; furthermore any time you are talking in dungeons is time wasted not moving further in the dungeon, and also you will probably die if you are not dodging stuff.

Thats what I mean about the grind, if this is what happens, I may just stay at my iLvl 100 and chill. As for speaking, I'm not talking about a life story while doing battle, when I ask things its either at the start or in between mobs. I don't want to turn into that if thats what going for the higher end gear means. Its too bad that its designed like this, surely there has to be a better way.

[Ashkendor]

You have to understand that you are forced to run these damn dungeons for everything multiple times; furthermore any time you are talking in dungeons is time wasted not moving further in the dungeon, and also you will probably die if you are not dodging stuff.

And that keeps you from saying hello during the loading screen and thanks or goodbye once the instance ends? Personally, the only thing that keeps me sane during the relic grind (working on my second Zodiac weapon now) is talking to my fellow players. When I greet the party, usually I get at least 1-2 replies, which is nice. Sometimes I get none which leaves me feeling sort of awkward. I'm in Mumble for the majority of the time talking with people in my static/FC, but there's still something nice about chatting a little bit with the people I'm with. Yeah, we're probably from different servers but I wouldn't know that unless I asked. I always greet the party at the beginning of the dungeon and say thanks at the end at the very least. If people seem inclined to talk in between, I'm more than happy to chat. You never know, you may run into those people again in DF (it's happened to me before).

I've been playing this game since release and so far ran probably over 1000 runs in df. Long ago I used to say hello, bye and other things to keep up a conversation. But you know, after 1000 runs I just don't bother anymore. I don't even look at their names. To me they are just NPCs, not real players. There is no real interaction or teamwork required in dungeons. The tanks pull mobs, healers heal, dps burn stuff. Everyone knows the dungeon and how to do their job. It's just the way the game is designed.

This is profoundly sad to me.

[HeroSamson]

You have to understand that you are forced to run these damn dungeons for everything multiple times

You don't have to, just wait for 3 major patches and farm Gil up until they put the armor into the low area and get 100 stone bonus and get everything for other characters.

While everyone spams the new dungeons for new gear.

I mean there is no reason to spam dungeon for some gear that will be easy to get after a few patches.
I am pretty sure that's why its hard to find dungeons sometimes for different places cause people are catching on.

Its like trying to fight your way to a boss character and it taking a whole year to get to it and they patch it and it takes someone 1 day to reach the boss and the only thing you got to show for it is that you did it for a entire year for the same crap the person did in one day lol

[Skeith-Adeline]

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...lol? I don't think you undersand

[HeroSamson]

...lol? I don't think you undersand

I do he's saying we have to do dungeons multi times to get stuff its true.
But it lessens if you wait because the gear gets replaced and when you enter a dungeon you get the 100 for new players and it could be a low dungeon like CT which is easy.

You still do dungeons but its less time getting the gear, then you just don't worry about the other gear. unless you wanna spam crazy a bunch of times.
I know we are being forced instead of having other means to get the stuff that I do understand.

I am saying less work the way I do it even if the gear is outdated does it really make a difference?

As long as you do your job properly.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Poetics isn't the only reason, and some of us aren't... causal. (sorry but if you wait 2 patches to gear up, yea). I'm grinding Hullbreaker for my weapon, so I can bring out the max DPS I can offer to a raid group.

[Azper]

I'm typically polite enough to say a, "hello" at the start and a, "thanks for the run" at the end. Beyond that, though, I find little need for communication in random DF parties. It's probably the biggest downfall of the cross-server match system they have: you're grouped up with people you'll probably never see again. There's no motivation to be chatty or get to know anyone through DF.