Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Meier]

No official reply on the forums so I wouldn't take that an as indicator at all.

Um..I'd say Yoshida saying it in an official press interview counts. He does not have time go to post on the forums every two seconds. He is a busy man..wow, just wow LOL.

You should know this by now that if devs don't make an official post on the forums, then you can't really bind them to a commitment. There is no official proof that this will really be happening. Also according to that post, he is "considering" it, pretty much means nothing in my books. If they really had plans then why are aren't they posting anything official if Yoshida made the call already? In other words, they don't have plans for summoner, not a buff nor an adjustment.

lmao I guess everything we see in the videos they show at the fan festivals is not a commitment. This just in guys, we probably aren't getting au'ra, or DRK, or Machnist..nor Astrologist..sorry. Because they did not post on the forums about them, in fact the entire heavensward expansion must be false. /sarcasm.

Yoshida does not have to post on here, or Square Enix..for everything to happen. That would be ridiculous. Give the man a break. o.O

OH! The dev blog too..that must be all made up stuff. Too funny XD

[Minorinz]

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There is a reason why summoner's dps charts are rising slowly but within a relatively small deviation while blms are getting better dps parses with gear variation- it's called 'skill cap', for a summoner to break such a high number it takes perfection and perfection is almost impossible. Not mention that more than half of the nation switched to BLM so OFC there will be a lack on distribution. There is not much to reward a summoner with even with them going perfect because blms can just mess around and still get higher numbers.

[scarebearz]

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I don't know who Rational Gaze is and if he's the worlds "best" SMN or not, nor do I know the other names mentioned.

With full i110 gears and i115 weapon, after the BLM buff I believe SMN and BLM were about equal overall in SCoB, pretty darn close anyway.

[ShinryuReishiki]

Comparing the DPS charts is a bit silly; I just see it as something fun to do. SMN's numbers depend far too much on the performance of the others in the party. If adds die slower, that's more DPS for the SMN. More Bennus, more DPS for the SMN. If someone dies, more DPS for the SMN. This is true for BLM as well, but the impact is greater on SMN given the reliance on DoTs. I feel like T11 is the only one where you could have a fair comparison between jobs.

I'm sure Rational Gaze is pretty good, but look at the data on that chart. In every turn, his BLM and BRD died once. That makes it a lot easier to reach higher numbers. My best T13 for example was because the BLM died; I've yet to come close to that on a clean run.

[Akiza]

Looking at WoW's balance the Warlock's DoTs have 183% more potency then the Mages Fire and Frost spells becuase DoTs take 18-30s to do their full damage. To balance Summoner SE should buff the potency of DoTs by 183% the potency of fire spells.

[Sen_Terrechant]

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The thing is, we would gain 5-10 DPS simply from having our mana problems fixed and being able to do our ideal rotation. Thats why i mentioned a small potency buff, because we wont need much after that.

Id also like to note that Rational Gaze is in DnT who has parses specifically set up to maximize DPS on each player. So yes we are seeing the very limits of the SMN in that parse (every add was kept alive for the DoTs, the BLM only did 375 DPS etc...)

So you are most likely right in that a small potency buff would not be enough, as im sure he didnt need for mana (most likely got ballad at one point), but its far better to buff slowly then overbuff.

[Sen_Terrechant]

I don't know who Rational Gaze is and if he's the worlds "best" SMN or not, nor do I know the other names mentioned.

With full i110 gears and i115 weapon, after the BLM buff I believe SMN and BLM were about equal overall in SCoB, pretty darn close anyway.

That was before the BLM buff. Once BLM got buffed it pulled ahead in every single turn. The reason SMN were still 'top caster deepz' in SCoB is mostly the fact they were so good in T7. One could argue T9 also suited them due to the amount of jumps that DoTs kept ticking.


Anyways; SMN needs a buff. We all know this, we need better mana management and better damage. I would love to actually be able to come close to a melee without having a billion adds to AoE.

[Cebo]

Looking at WoW's balance the Warlock's DoTs have 183% more potency then the Mages Fire and Frost spells becuase DoTs take 18-30s to do their full damage. To balance Summoner SE should buff the potency of DoTs by 183% the potency of fire spells.

While I do think SMN DoT's are too weak (when comparing their total potency to other job's direct damage spells), you can't really do a 1:1 comparison with Warlocks in WoW. We make up some of our low DoT damage from a strong 300 potency Fester, and a stronger pet.

Still, I do think our DoT's need to be increased. Even if you add say 100 potency to Bio 2, that's really only an extra 10 potency every 3 seconds. While BLM's only got a 20 potency buff to their main nukes in 2.3, over the course of 30 seconds in which they are casting about 12-13 spells, their buff was effectively a 240-260 potency increase over 30 seconds. And that's not even counting Astral Fire multiplying that damage further for Fire spells.

[Meier]

^ Thank you BlaiseArath..saved me a reply now haha

[Dyvid]

Um..I'd say Yoshida saying it in an official press interview counts. He does not have time go to post on the forums every two seconds. He is a busy man..wow, just wow LOL.

Isn't they why they hire EN community reps? Why aren't they gathering the JPN interviewers and translating them for us to read? Sorry but I'm just annoyed on how much communication has gone down hill since 2.0. I miss Letter from the Producer and really dislike Live Letters because we can't get official translate until weeks later yet people in the community can translate on the fly....