Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Sequora]

[QUOTE=Minorinz;2775866]Except BLM's ST and AOE is better than a summoner's.[/Q]

I would say that SMN and BLM have very close single target DPS. In t13 I keep up with a lvl i130 BLM with his dreadwyrm weapon until the add phase. Then he blows me away. SMN has better AoE then melee i guess, but they have similar single target DPS to BLM and then get blown away in the AoE department. You can't beat the high burst damage of flare. Adds are meant to go down in a fast amount of time. Bane just doesn't do the job in most situations. Does it have it's use? Sure. SMN should either match BLM AoE damage, have higher single target damage than BLM, or have more utility to make up for being mediocre in DPS.

[Cattastro]

i don't know how many thread i reply the same thing..but i will keep reply this until dev listen..i love smn class..n that why i write..

1. Reduce enkindle cd to 120s
2. Make bane effect all enemies in radius.
3. replace 3 disaster with mp buff
4. increase melee type egi damage resistance
5. change egi design to be like actual primal. size can be the size of hyur race n it will not block any player view.

this will rebalance it. sch not impacted.

[Romsca]

Cattastro, Dev no listen to any of us. Try Japan forum section, maybe they see you there.

1.Not likely to happen. 120 second enkindle would be ready every time spur and rouse is. If 120 seconds, remove spur and rouse, make enkindle 80% stronger.
2. AoE spells have a max of 5 targets affected. Bane affects 4, the one you target and 3 more around it. Effect all enemies be much overpower.
3. Dev no care our opinions, but not a bad suggestion.
4. Why they need more damage reduction? they no tank Bahamut.
5. Overloads hardware and other players computers causing much lag and making many players hate summoner more.

This will not rebalance anything. Dark times ahead if we follow this path.

[Romsca]

Anyone else notice the number of posts by the NA GM's compared to the other regions GM's is kinda light and only about the current valentines event? I mean I know they can't post in everything and, well, everything, but did some lalafell send the GM's a sleep potion disguised as Valentine punch?

[Fatshine]

I love this. The dps gap created between melee and ranged is just a complete design flaw with Coil's mechanics, and honestly, SE won't do anything about summoner's single target anyway, not to mention how limited summoner is with its aoe unlike blm so i don't even know xD

Also, my respect+ for those summoners who are getting top dps or at least trying to push through, you guys are amazing.

Thank you, we're trying :/

[Cattastro]

1. at least reduce the cd to 3 minutes or 4
2. if that let it be
3. agree can replace tri disaster with mp buff
4. yes they were no tank bahamut but tend to die make people want to use caster egi instead then there no purpose to summon other melee pet.
5. that not an issue since mount graphic is no different than player, why not egi's.

what the purpose to create an english forum if dev don't listen here..they can just make jap only forum.

[Minorinz]

I would say that SMN and BLM have very close single target DPS.

Well, SMN is better than BLM on the opener burst but then it goes downhill from there after 3mins because CDs/mana or a tonshit of adds spawning. It makes sense that BLM should be doing insane AOE burst, because that's what makes the class fun anyway, but what about what makes summoner fun to play?

IMO, the focus should be on balancing single target in a standstill fight/target dummy.

Exactly, even if it's minimal for now. I agree that summoner is pretty cool on certain fights like T1, leviathan, ramuh and even titan, but blackmage is never too far behind at all on those either. I mean, when second coil was a pain for blackmage and let's be very honest about it, blackmage wasn't really that far behind at all, like really at all. Yet, they buffed them by quite much, now when it's reversed, there is nothing much to do?

Thank you, we're trying :/

You got dis.

Anyone else notice the number of posts by the NA GM's compared to the other regions GM's is kinda light and only about the current valentines event? I mean I know they can't post in everything and, well, everything, but did some lalafell send the GM's a sleep potion disguised as Valentine punch?

Might wanna start insulting others in this thread and see if they close it, if their attention is what you seek. :P
But yeah, not much love is being showed..

[melflomil]

Cattastro, Dev no listen to any of us. Try Japan forum section, maybe they see you there.

1.Not likely to happen. 120 second enkindle would be ready every time spur and rouse is. If 120 seconds, remove spur and rouse, make enkindle 80% stronger.
2. AoE spells have a max of 5 targets affected. Bane affects 4, the one you target and 3 more around it. Effect all enemies be much overpower.
3. Dev no care our opinions, but not a bad suggestion.
4. Why they need more damage reduction? they no tank Bahamut.
5. Overloads hardware and other players computers causing much lag and making many players hate summoner more.

This will not rebalance anything. Dark times ahead if we follow this path.

only SMN's bane has a max of 4 target. All other AOE skills in the game hits all within the radius my friend.

[Sen_Terrechant]

only SMN's bane has a max of 4 target. All other AOE skills in the game hits all within the radius my friend.

Also lets be honest on anything where it actually matters (IE: Coil. FCoB specifically) you almost never have to worry about the bane limiter. The only current turn which might cap it is T13 when the first Sins spawn, and thats only if your group somehow couldnt burn down a single gust.

The only thing that would affect is Dungeons. Basically uncapping bane, atleast at the moment is totally not needed. It would also make the ability a bit too strong.

[YanderePrincess]

And we all know how that went.

Yep, though I can say I enjoyed XI's summoner more than XIV's summoner, even if it only really shined in a small number of situations/fights. But that's also my personal preference for combat styles. Summoner's style does not suit me and my ADHD addled brain.