Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[ViviAnimus]

If you can stand still, get procs, constant crits, then your numbes as a BLM are going to be high. If you get a fight with medium intervals, mana breaks, DoT ticks when a boss jumps, some movement, short overall duration of 'hard content' (e.g. <10 minutes), then a SMN would in a good place.


As I have stated before. Movement heavy fights are not necessarily bad for BLM. A good BLM will counter movement easily, as they should. I don't think you are listening. Even in fights with mana breaks, dot ticks, movement, SMN still gets shat on by BLM. SMN, as I have said before, is almost never in a good place in comparison to BLM. It simply gets outclassed in every single department. T9 might be an exception. And even so, the difference in DPS in T9 between a BLM and SMN is so small, you can't even use it as an argument. Right now, for all content almost, BLM is better than SMN. You can dribble all you wish about down time, movement and so on, this is the fact. BLM > SMN in terms of Single target DPS, AoE DPS, resources, burst, utility and also ease to play the class. To then go on to continue this mad dribble about battles being different is ultimately stupid, because one, it isn't true and two even if it were true, we don't see it translate itself into the actual battles. Why don't you look at the facts that SMN is outclassed in about every single department and that therefore it needs a buff.

Think about it; easily Bane'able adds, multiple breaks for mp regen, DoT's ticking when he jumps, forced movement via slides/ dodging. It's the most SMN friendly fight ingame. An equally skilled/ gear BLM won't beat a SMN on Levi EX.

Think about it, Flares everywhere, Flares that burst down enemies and do so much more damage than your dots. When the boss jumps, he becomes invulnerable as well? Last time I checked, the dots don't do anything when a boss jumps away. Also, after the boss comes back, a BLM can burst immediately, whereas a SMN can't unless your dots are still up when the boss is back. What are your numbers on Levi? I'll see if we can collect cards from Levi and share you my BLM numbers and we shall discuss.

I don't even... :/

You don't even? Before the buff, BLM could do like 500 DPS on T6 and T8. Do crazy numbers on T7 and T9. After the buff, BLM simply got an even bigger lead? Perhaps the video is still lingering around where two top tier BLM showed a buff wasn't all that needed. When the buff was there, BLM knew at least another +40 DPS. SMN since then, has been in BLM's shadow.

Phase 3 and 4 of Turn 9 are not optimal for BLM over a SMN; two targets means no Fire II in P3, coupled with the Supernova dodging.


Another laugable and stupid argument. BLM ST damage shits on SMN damage and the triple Flare on the two targets far outshines anything a SMN could do. It's so funny that you use Supernove dodging as well, as if that stuff means anything at all. Mate, if you're a good BLM, that stuff doesn't even phase you.

SMN's don't "triumph over BLM" in FCoB as we have established for the umpteenth time. :P
If you just want examples of relavent content (where you would have both a BLM and SMN in the group), then it just depends on who gets in the damage first, or is allowed to.
If you want examples of mechanics that favour SMN over BLM, then:-
T12: If Black fires are placed at 6y (each) away from Phoenix, you can't hit any of them with Fire II or Flare.
Savage T6: Devour.
Savage T8: Movement laden fight.
Savage T9: P3 and P4 do not favour a BLM over a SMN.

T12, if blackfires are places correctly, Flare is definitely an option and makes Bane look like a pussy move. Also, the add benu phase and Flare is a huge DPS increase. If you're going to bane, I hope you're ok with risking benus dying too soon. Also, Flaring benus that spawn (first phase) is very good. Baning benus on the other hand is laughable. You get like two-three ticks. You might as well Fester.
And again this movement crap. You don't seem to realise what a good BLM can do in movement heavy fights. Watch some Aikaal on T9 savage, surely there are others as well. For T8, it's not THAT movement heavy and it can again, be countered by playing intelligently. Basically T8 savage might be the only fights where it's useful to have a SMN. Even then, manaward and apoc on that fight make BLM so much better than SMN. So, what now?
Also, since you speak of these things as so beneficial for SMN, would you mind sharing some of your own numbers (DPS) so I can kinda see what you're really talking about. What's your average DPS on T12?
Might I also add that on SMN, your dots can fall off because of heavy movement, your Shadow Flare is pretty useless? The damage output between BLM and SMN is probably nothing on that fight, even more so, I would say that equally skilled players will show BLM win. Why do I think this, because I've seen charts of Final Coil. The DPS difference is real. Even in T13, where movement is so heavy, you have downtime for MP, SMN still gets outDPSed by 25, probably even more. What does that tell you?