Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Romsca]

More mana won't change a thing. There's few way to fix Summoners. They can't buff Scholars because they don't need it so they can't really touch Arcanists. I could easily see a change in Fester to be the key to fix their mana issue. They need to revamp Tri-disaster to give utility. It's useless like Apocastasis used to be trash and it's so good now.

First, larger mana pool extends our fight time before running out of resources and taking a drastic drop in dps, much like melee, which blm does not suffer from even if they die. Second, buffing the piety to mana conversion at the soulstone does not affect arcanist and scholar. Third, fester is fine. And finally there is another thread for tri disaster, in which I suggested that instead it should put bio, bio 2, and miasma at half their normal duration on target, instant cast and 30 second cooldown.

[Odowla]

Odowla, with 4k mana, aetherflow flow would return 800 per minute and have an in combat regeneration tick of 79 per 3 second. I only use 4k as an example of the size increase we need. I currently sank my 30 att points into piety and have 244, With a pool of 3280 in party with scholar. As much as I would love to sustain dot durations and ruin infinitely, even I think there has to be a threshold when we should run out of resources and need the bard to sing.

UUHHHHHHM. Healers don't even get 4k without a party. That would be rediculous, and we literally would NOT run out of MP. AT ALL. like, actually impossible.

[Romsca]

Each class actually gets unique amounts of MP per Piety. SMN gets ~7.25, SCH ~7.5, WHM ~7.9, BLM ~8.25, and PLD ~3.9. These aren't exact numbers; I just tossed on some Piety pieces, found the difference in MP, then divided by the amount of Piety. A SCH with no Piety equipped actually has the same base amount as a BLM, but is a few hundred MP lower...

Turns out blm gets more mana per piety than summoner and the healers. Aikaal, how much mana do you have with your 245 piety? I get the desire to have more which increases your dps. But your resource replenishment is far better than smn. That's the fork in the road, either have large resource reserve or large regeneration.

UUHHHHHHM. Healers don't even get 4k without a party. That would be rediculous, and we literally would NOT run out of MP. AT ALL. like, actually impossible.

I said example. And healers get piety on their gear as an extra stat for 5 total. Blm/Smn only get 4. Sch has aetherflow plus energy drain and Whm has shroud. And in a single target fight that is alright, or we could find the threshold between good sustainability and never running out. Of course, as is our class design, when we start dealing with multiple mobs that are spread out, ie BCoB turn 1 snakes, then we are burning more mana than we can replenish.

[Romsca]

Fire I is 306 Potency. It also has 40% chance to give you an instant cast free Fire III that is 468 potency. So if you had more Fire I in your rotation, you do a lot more damage. In your ice stance, Blizzard I is 170 Potency and Thunder I is 240 Potency. If BLMs were to have the same mana pool than SMN which is 3k, I'd barely have mana for cast 4 Fire I in my rotation. I'd be useless.

You could say I prefer to spend as much time in my Astral Fire stance and the least time in my Umbral Ice stance but I,d want to have full mana in my Astral Fire.

I may not like blm playstyle much, but I just have a feeling that kind of rotation is not ideal. Relying on a proc with 40% chance just save some mp bothers me for some reason. Wouldn't just casting fire 3 till you have to switch to blizz 3 and thunders net a more constant dps with a higher average over hoping you get a firestarter? Idk, I never liked blm and only leveled it for swiftcast so don't take me for an authority on it.

[Dyvid]

Well I don't know. I don't do FCoB but in content I do competing in (CT, Dungeons, Trails) I know I'm not a bottom feeder. I also know that you'll never get an accurate parse on DoTs unless SE gives you an official parser mainly because how DoT damage is coded into the system. I hope SE has seen the complaints for the past year and make positive changes to the job that will please everyone without drastic changes to the job.

[Skeith-Adeline]

I may not like blm playstyle much, but I just have a feeling that kind of rotation is not ideal. Relying on a proc with 40% chance just save some mp bothers me for some reason. Wouldn't just casting fire 3 till you have to switch to blizz 3 and thunders net a more constant dps with a higher average over hoping you get a firestarter? Idk, I never liked blm and only leveled it for swiftcast so don't take me for an authority on it.

Nooooooo no no. I won't get into much, but I hate having to correct BLMs in DF instances who do this.

[Bigcat9715]

I may not like blm playstyle much, but I just have a feeling that kind of rotation is not ideal. Relying on a proc with 40% chance just save some mp bothers me for some reason. Wouldn't just casting fire 3 till you have to switch to blizz 3 and thunders net a more constant dps with a higher average over hoping you get a firestarter? Idk, I never liked blm and only leveled it for swiftcast so don't take me for an authority on it.

I've just fully leveled my BLM, and let me tell you, if you have 3 stacks of Astral fire you don't want to waste your time and mp on casting magic that cost 1058 a shot when you can get it for free. Plus you have a overwhelming chance of getting a fire 3 every rotation. You can get it a couple of times every rotation. BLM's dps is ridiculous.

[scarebearz]

Nooooooo no no. I won't get into much, but I hate having to correct BLMs in DF instances who do this.

What about the ones who Spam Bliz 3, you ask them why and they are very proud to tell you "I never run out of MP like this" xD

[SomnusNemoris]

I may not like blm playstyle much, but I just have a feeling that kind of rotation is not ideal. Relying on a proc with 40% chance just save some mp bothers me for some reason. Wouldn't just casting fire 3 till you have to switch to blizz 3 and thunders net a more constant dps with a higher average over hoping you get a firestarter? Idk, I never liked blm and only leveled it for swiftcast so don't take me for an authority on it.

I have always had a certain distrust toward people who can not grasp the simple concept of Black Mage. If you have a feeling about that rotation not being ideal, I think it is time from now on to once more, evaluate your own opinions, not only on this matter, but also on all the things you said all over this thread. SMN utility isn't great, at all. The argument still stands that it is not unique purely situational (only benefit when other people are either incompetent or dead).
I also don't buy what the guy said about only having a 20DPS increase from HA do DW weapon. If I am not mistaken, SMN damge scales a bit higher than BLM? On my BLM it was around + 40DPS, maybe even more. Although the scaling in comparison to melee is pathetic. Melee always seem to benefit a lot more from getting extra WD, since the beginning of this game.

[Sanguisio]

I hate BLMs who can do rotations correctly, theres a flippin guide for it xD Btw romsca cast F3 over f1 doesnt yield that much for mana expended and for the most part it will gimp you for MP to Ice stance where you should be reapplying thunder, waiting for that 1tick of mana because you messed and left yourself short.

I know it kinda makes sense to compare SMN and BLM mana as they are both casters but the way BLMs work you can't. MP cost vary and not to mention are higher than SMNs, and their MP regen comes from a mechanic. Also, they are the only class in the entire game that can do their job forever without having to stop.

Now the fact SMNs run out of MP isnt ideal at all and that should be improved upon with to bring it into line or just below MNKs, DRGs in terms of lasting taking the optimal single target rotation into account.

Lets not bring up the BLM vs SMN utility it's been beaten to death, both offer excellent things.