Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Romsca]

Why are you all focusing on very specific content instead of looking at as a whole? We could just look at it as Square Enix wants you to play all the classes and swap to the right class for the job, in which case 3.0 could be summoner heaven for content and blm and melee get the shaft.

[Odowla]

Why are you all focusing on very specific content instead of looking at as a whole? We could just look at it as Square Enix wants you to play all the classes and swap to the right class for the job, in which case 3.0 could be summoner heaven for content and blm and melee get the shaft.

Because balance in the easiest content in the game doesnt matter when you can do it with 6 ninjas or 6 bards or 6 dragoons.

However, Raid Balance matters a lot more because if no one's playing the class in the hard content, a lot of those same players aren't gonna play it in the easier content.

The effect is already pretty obvious, I rarely see a Summoner even in WoD. If that's not damning, I don't know what is.

[Romsca]

The effect is already pretty obvious, I rarely see a Summoner even in WoD. If that's not damning, I don't know what is.

First hour of WoD being out, I ran as a summoner and I still go as a summoner. Those first 10 runs I have never revived more players dying in the first boss than I have my whole time as a healer since 2.0, now you could say that was a waste but I don't feel that way. Got my groups though the raid.

[Aikaal]

Why are you all focusing on very specific content instead of looking at as a whole? We could just look at it as Square Enix wants you to play all the classes and swap to the right class for the job, in which case 3.0 could be summoner heaven for content and blm and melee get the shaft.

Because new gear makes old content easy and you don't need those buffs. Like... This moved used to do 6-7k damage on my 7.5k PLD. Yeah, I need to do something. Now my Paladin have 11.5k health... Echo makes old content easy. 24-men raids are meant to be easy and brainless.

You are right, maybe in 3.0 SMNs will be the best. Who knows. In 2.3, they buffed BLMs because they couldn't keep up. I was still playing BLM. I,d prefer a SMN in my raid who is good and enjoy the game as SMN over forcing him to play BLM.

If you look at Mister Happy, his group is NIN, DRG, BRD, SMN. It's easier and people prefer BLM and Monk over SMN and DRG but it still works.

[Romsca]

Because new gear makes old content easy and you don't need those buffs. Like... This moved used to do 6-7k damage on my 7.5k PLD. Yeah, I need to do something. Now my Paladin have 11.5k health... Echo makes old content easy. 24-men raids are meant to be easy and brainless.

You are right, maybe in 3.0 SMNs will be the best. Who knows. In 2.3, they buffed BLMs because they couldn't keep up. I was still playing BLM. I,d prefer a SMN in my raid who is good and enjoy the game as SMN over forcing him to play BLM.

If you look at Mister Happy, his group is NIN, DRG, BRD, SMN. It's easier and people prefer BLM and Monk over SMN and DRG but it still works.

Echo was a bad choice. It should have bolstered lower ilevel players up a bit and then gear synced higher ilevel down to keep content challenging but not too challenging.

[Odowla]

Echo was a bad choice. It should have bolstered lower ilevel players up a bit and then gear synced higher ilevel down to keep content challenging but not too challenging.

I mean considering how many people have yet to clear t5, I don't it matters what Echo actually does, lol. 10k+ DRG's with full i130, still on t5 doing 100 dps, like, thats not challenging that's a design flaw lol.