Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Xisin]

The math on the % damage difference is a few pages back, you can look for it, not linking it lol. Granted blms still do more for sure but the point is, is that those calculations were off, not really intentionally though.

Gotta say though with all this blm is king of aoe fight stuff floating around, I think people need to look at how scary a well played nin or drg is in aoe. in shiva ex i finally saw four digit dps during adds (cumulative, not in the moment) but don't worry the nin was about 100 behind me at the time... shits ridiculous lol. Despite pet troubles a well played smn can potentially trump a blm in that fight, the parse numbers I've seen at least show that possibility anyway.

But on the summoner thing, I can't agree with the smns on it... Sorry I'm not against the buff, but what most suggest is simply too much.

[Shizuna]

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Is Shiva EX the only fight you can see where SMN supposedly does more than BLM? Cause that's not really worth mentioning to what most people are talking about, which is FCOB and end-game content. I have a few questions though: how much do you expect SMN's to do in that fight and what was your highest or highest you've seen in Shiva EX as BLM? I don't doubt that a good SMN can do more than an average BLM, but if it was in terms of equal gear and high skill level, I don't think that would be the case. I haven't really tried Shiva EX as SMN, but I know as a ilvl 121 BLM I do around 450-500 DPS with i110 weapon.

Also, I'm not sure which buffs people are suggesting that's too much, but all I can see is that BLM > SMN in ST damage, based on looking at parses/DPS leader boards that people have showed me and how much top-grade SMN's do and I guess how much I do as well. I'm really not much of a theory-crafter to say what is needed, aside from having more piety and getting more mp back.

[scarebearz]

based on looking at parses/DPS leader boards that people have showed me and how much top-grade SMN's do and I guess how much I do as well.

Is there actually a dedicated a SMN chart or are you just comparing what you think SMN's can do against those numbers Puro Striders list?

[Shizuna]

Is there actually a dedicated a SMN chart or are you just comparing what you think SMN's can do against those numbers Puro Striders list?

There isn't a dedicated SMN chart, but there is an actual leader boards (with every class on it) I'm looking at, but it's from a different FC and I don't think I'm allowed to show it since I'm not from that FC. Then there's word of mouth and parses that people have shown me of what SMN's can do. I also have myself that does FCOB as SMN, but I'm not the best or anything. So I'm not pulling things out of my ass if that's what you think.

If you want proof of what I can do, this is what I did recently: http://imgur.com/ssvMTpX,Nktbl9d,JBs2ect,5SPbI4g
The gearset I used: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PH1X (for t10-11 instead of using crafted belt, I used dreadwyrm belt)

That sounds like a good idea anyways, looking at Puro Striders list. I can prove to people how SMN's are doing right now and everyone can see how they compare against other DPS then you guys can judge for yourself if they are at the right place. If anyone who has done FCOB would like to contribute, please show me some parses/numbers of the highest you've done as SMN for every turn.

[scarebearz]

There isn't a dedicated SMN chart, but there is an actual leader boards (with every class on it) I'm looking at, but it's from a different FC

1 FC from 1 Server?

[Shizuna]

1 FC from 1 Server?

Yeah. Sorry I typo. Someone is really nit-picky.

[Shizuna]

I asked around on my server to confirm how some of the SMN's do in FCOB cause I don't really have names for people, outside of my server, who told me what/how they did and plus I can't remember every single numbers, only an estimate.

It's on the 2nd tab: http://goo.gl/kTliGH

Some of it is not complete cause I only asked their static but did not want to bother them to give me extensive data. But this is just proof of what a SMN can do in general and you can compare it to the BLM's in Puro Strider's DPS epeen chart.

[Havenchild]

I asked around on my server to confirm how some of the SMN's do in FCOB cause I don't really have names for people, outside of my server, who told me what/how they did and plus I can't remember every single numbers, only an estimate.

It's on the 2nd tab: http://goo.gl/kTliGH

Some of it is not complete cause I only asked their static but did not want to bother them to give me extensive data. But this is just proof of what a SMN can do in general and you can compare it to the BLM's in Puro Strider's DPS epeen chart.

Do you actually update this over course of various servers? I haven't really found one of these for SMN and have been looking to contribute as well.

[OneWingedSora]

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BLMs can do 550-600+on Shiva Extreme.

[Dwill]

The math on the % damage difference is a few pages back, you can look for it, not linking it lol. Granted blms still do more for sure but the point is, is that those calculations were off, not really intentionally though.

Gotta say though with all this blm is king of aoe fight stuff floating around, I think people need to look at how scary a well played nin or drg is in aoe. in shiva ex i finally saw four digit dps during adds (cumulative, not in the moment) but don't worry the nin was about 100 behind me at the time... shits ridiculous lol. Despite pet troubles a well played smn can potentially trump a blm in that fight, the parse numbers I've seen at least show that possibility anyway.

But on the summoner thing, I can't agree with the smns on it... Sorry I'm not against the buff, but what most suggest is simply too much.

I think everyone though is aware at Ninja's stupidly high damage all around, which includes their excessively huge single target -> AoE damage ratio. Fact still remains though that even played at the highest level, Black Mage will still be ahead off them. And I saw the calculations and while yes 12% is off, 8-10% with procs is still pretty decent difference between both. The thing is that no sane summoners is asking Black Mage to get nerfed. We're just asking to at the very least deal equal single target to them. And while we're on that topic, I'd like for both Summoners and Black Mages to have their damage gap versus melee reduced. There's no reason at all for them to have such a huge cap versus casters, especially with FCoB showing us that they aren't really in a more dangerous position being in melee. I mean, if that's really their argument, then they wouldn't be against Summoners getting the melee damage treatment because that's where we are all the time for auto-attack damage.