Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Lilyarel]

Alright so. I ran WoD as Summoner just now. I cant tell if the buff helped or not. I use Ifrit for all the bosses and it did seem to help. I had to use less ED than before. I still ran out of mana, but it certainly felt like it lasted longer. I dont know if its my imagination or not. People in my FC says 50 casts save about 1300 mana than before.

[ViviAnimus]

It makes a difference, yes. Quite noticable. But it's not enough and I sure as hell hope SE feels the same. Still disgusted by the lack of trying? It's very disappointing. But who knows. Once SMN can actually bring to the table, the same a BLM can do, in one way or another, I'll come back to it.

[Lilyarel]

It makes a difference, yes. Quite noticable. But it's not enough and I sure as hell hope SE feels the same. Still disgusted by the lack of trying? It's very disappointing. But who knows. Once SMN can actually bring to the table, the same a BLM can do, in one way or another, I'll come back to it.

I'm very disappointed by this buff. But who knows, maybe 3.0 will fix everything. Summoner may even get a complete resign. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Xisin]

It makes a difference, yes. Quite noticable. But it's not enough and I sure as hell hope SE feels the same. Still disgusted by the lack of trying? It's very disappointing. But who knows. Once SMN can actually bring to the table, the same a BLM can do, in one way or another, I'll come back to it.

Called it, smn is functional with the exception of mp issues (and works well in dps.). I run with a smn on t13 now, he seems quite fine on dps even before the buff. SMN is fine. Not needing selene for good dps is a blessing and a curse at the same time, especially if sch gets nudged out in favor of the new healer.

[Kona_Nightwind]

So they improve the MP issues. And you complain. That was the biggest issue for SMNs. The DPS is fine, and before you start quoting top end parses remember 3rd party parsers are flawed especially with dots. SE on the other hand has exact numbers. And if you want a carbon copy of aoe, burst, etc go play a BLM. Classes are supposed to be different. I personally believe SMN should have better ST damage, and if its not the expansion is like 8 weeks away.

[ViviAnimus]

Called it, smn is functional with the exception of mp issues (and works well in dps.). I run with a smn on t13 now, he seems quite fine on dps even before the buff. SMN is fine. Not needing selene for good dps is a blessing and a curse at the same time, especially if sch gets nudged out in favor of the new healer.

You called it was an issue and that it should pretty much suffice. Unfortunately, it doesn't. BLM still superior on the damage front and it has infinite resources. Nothing has really changed but the MP management. It's a good thing, but it's not a solution to make people play SMN over BLM in certain scenarios.
What DPS do you do in T13 on your SMN?
Kona doesn't understand, but that was obvious a couple of his posts ago. It was a big SMN issue and it's a nice thing they adressed it. To claim that parsers are flawed and that SE magically has the numbers is utter bullshit and based on nothing but your own imagination. The parse works perfectly well. But if the parse is flawed, then who will argue in what way? Maybe SMN do even less damage, what do you know.
I am a main BLM, thank you, I would just like to play SMN and do the same damage or more because BLM to me is easy as hell. It's not challenging, it's boring, but it's pragmatical.

SMN does not have higher ST damage and the perfect proof of that is T11, cheers. The fact that Selene only benefits BLM is not an argument by the way (to come back to Xisin). If one class greatly benefits and another doesn't, then that is an inbalance. Also, again this horseshit about classes being different. What a fantastic observation! If you personally believe SMN should have better ST damage, then start acting like it, because it's what I have been saying all this time.

[Kona_Nightwind]

I don't agree with you so I don't know what I'm talking about. Do you work for Fox news? I've seen multiple parses from the same fight be way off, but you keep believing a free 3rd party apt that is against SE rules is the end all be all that's fine. Its supposed to be a tool. The fact that its the entire backing for you argument is pretty weak. I just thing your epeen is hurt.

[ViviAnimus]

No, you actually do agree with me, namely that SMN needs higher ST damage, which it doesn't have. We have numbers to compare. If you claim that the numbers are flawed, then you point out how they are flawed with mathematics. Then to ask if I work for Fox news, when that Station is known for not backing up their claims with actualy evidence is humourous and sad at the same time.

So what do you base yourself on? Where are your numbers? On what basis do you dismiss them? Is SMN doing more ST damage in comparision to BLM? What is the math? I'll tell you right now, you don't have the answers, because you're full of it. Give me examples of multiple parsers of the same fight being way off. Tell me how they reflect on the reality that SMN is either portrayed negitavely or positively. Give me your evidence. I believe the parsers does what it is supposed to do. You claim otherwise? Prove it.
Oh, right, you're that guy that said you should never compare DPS via top players, but random casual ones. I am happy SEN tore you a new one on that part. You are the only here not able to argue, I am afraid. It's shameful.

[Kona_Nightwind]

First off if you are using parses from different fights or different parses there will be differences. But let's say every parse is from ACT. Even the programer can't admit its accuracy. He uses terms like near and close (just goggle ffxiv reddit parser). No parser has ever claimed perfect accuracy. Since I'm not dumb enough to post a parse in the forums I won't. I may however do it some where else. And as far as proof were is yours. All you talk about is other peoples parses. How do you know they are set up the same, or if the fights were the same. Look at T13 for example. Depending on how long adds are alive will change classes numbers. Plus its not hard to pad numbers. If a BLM double flares fires in T12 its a DPS boost for no real effect. You act as if these parses all come from some controlled environment.

[Judge_Xero]

Yeah I would have liked to see a 10-20 Potency Increase to Ruin/2 as well