Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Dyvid]

I've a question: If SMNs were stronger than BLMs, what would happen to BLMs...?

All DPS should be equal or at least as close as possible.

If they had buff SMN anymore the buff would have just made Sch broken. But according to Yoshida we should be using Ruin 2 and book smacking enemies, so it's time to add book smacking to my rotation. Smh :/

/scratches head. Meh thinks Yoshi-P needs to main SMN instead of BLM for a while. Only time you should be using Ruin II is to blind the target or when you need a quick hit. As for smacking with a book... yea it's a thing but doesn't mean it's a right thing for a caster class lol.

Honestly they could have shaved some mp cost off the 4 main DoT's too. Yea anything is going to benefit SCH too but that side of our house isn't really hurting for MP anyway.

[Bigcat9715]

Here's an idea let's all become BLMs, and let SE delete SMN. Because that's clearly what they want to do now.

[Tex_Mex]

Here's an idea let's all become BLMs, and let SE delete SMN. Because that's clearly what they want to do now.

Lol I went DRG, my SMN hasn't been played in months. This MP buff isn't even close to enough to bring it off the benches either. RIP till 3.0 buddy

[ChaozK]

Fact is that DRG was doing fine up until FCoB. Like, world second T9 completion. By comparison, neither DRG nor SMN were in the top 5 groups for T13 (NIN was, though). It became a serious issue with FCoB, not before.

Well i can see your point but it wasnt really the case that DRG was doing fine but rather that there was a lack of alternatives. The only alternative for the 2nd melee slot was to bring another MNK, which was superior but fairly unattractive for most groups due to loot distribution, hence why it was only used by high end FCs.

The moment they implemented an alternative with NIN, DRG got dropped almost instantly.

[Judge_Xero]

Wow 53 MP for Ruin and 106 MP for Ruin II - SMN will never run out of MP. (not being sarcastic)

[Lilyarel]

Reading patch note. That buff....
Summoner is 10/10 best job now.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to trash my Summoner relic.

[Judge_Xero]

I'm actually curious how much this has changed things.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PT8F

We now have a Solid Book to use and much lower MP consumption.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

what was the MP cost of Ruin/Ruin II before the patch?

[Tranquil]

what was the MP cost of Ruin/Ruin II before the patch?

79 and 133, respectively.

[Romsca]

Leaving the amount of MP we spent on ruin pre 2.51, now for every ruin you cast, you are able to regen 7, yes 7, mp per tick for those with no extra piety points. This does extend our staying power but let's be honest, it is not by much more. Nor considers that we have to be in melee range, something blm doesn't have to do but really should or they are not bringing out all their potential, which makes me want to be just below melee class dps levels, with more physical def.

Prepare yourself Square Enix, Ishgard is going to burn in Heavensward.