Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[ViviAnimus]

I would never make the claim to be a top tier Black Mage anyway. Summoners are right now being denied in FCoB because their damage output is the lower of the magical DPS and it brings nothing too important. So in that sense it is in the same boat as DRG. Namely that there is a serious decline in Summoners. Also, Black Mages are always capable of producting good numbers, regardless of strategy. It's a stupid argument because Summoners too are affected by it.

Summoners have not as good ST damage nor do they have the same amount of Sustain as BLM classes. Also, again there are some logical inconsistancies on your part (a trait of being stupid, might I add). Your first post here literally claims that Summoners are fine You do not understand the issues Summoners have. Yet now you apparently think Summoners should receive a DPS buff and a Mana tweak. So in other words, you don't understand, yet you agree with buffs. Great job!

[Sanguisio]

lol running out of mana in about 4 minutes the lols.
SMN here and you just need to plan you stuff a bit better.

There is definitely an issue with SMN atm:
-mana does become an issue
-DPS generally isnt fair considering the other dps classes, SMN isnt difficult but it is the more difficult of the casters this should be rewarded for it.

[Tex_Mex]

Regardless of everyone's opinions, the simple truth is that some SMN's are getting pulled from statics because the class is not performing well in final coil. Yes, it is possible to beat final coil with SMN's in the party, but it does make it more difficult due to their lack of utility and poor sustained dps, so groups that are doing content for the first time, like mine, are more inclined to leave them out. My i115 smn pretty much never gets used any more since my i110 DRG can pull better numbers and has more sustain (and even more utility with the bard buff... which is hard to believe). While this is ok for me, plenty of people only play one class, so it can cause problems.

I believe SQEnix could fix the issues currently in place by making 1 small adjustment.

1) Give fester a 50% chance to allow your next energy drain to cost no aetherflow stack. - This provides a very marginal dps increase and solves smn MP issues while also not buffing SCH. nuff said.

[Skeith-Adeline]

SMNs can clear T11-13 without extensive health issues. No matter how good a DRG was, unless they had a gross amount of 130 gear or Vit crafted pieces, they were at risk of death from unavoidable damage. A skilled SMN CAN mitigate issues with the class. Their[SMN] DPS is lower[BLM], but no way is their DPS fetid. They are not weaker than Bards, which also can put out respectable damage. Skill, unlike with DRGs pre-patch, can help SMNs place much more efficiently than DRGs skill affected theirs.

My i115 smn pretty much never gets used any more since my i110 DRG can pull better numbers and has more sustain

Melee will always have higher DPS than Casters. Pretty sure a 120ish Melee can outplace a BLM in 130 with average proc luck.

[Tex_Mex]

Melee will always have higher DPS than Casters. Pretty sure a 120ish Melee can outplace a BLM in 130 with average proc luck.

Sure, and in no way am I asking for that. The change i suggested is a 5 dps increase at most, and would do nothing but even them out with BLM in final coil. Hell BLM would still be the number one magic user pick because of their AoE, but at least it would be a little closer.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Let's just chill with the insults for a second, no place in an argument. Did you know that slinging insults in arguments is often a sign of defeat; a sign of being unable to hold ones position?

There is nothing fallacious in believing something is fine, but understanding said thing could use some changes. Example: "This pasta's fine, but it could use some oregano". Another example more closely related: "Bards are fine, but could use some tweaks".
Just because I didn't say in that comment what I believe they could use, doesn't mean I didn't harbor the thoughts. I have responded on several other posts saying that if I'd prefer if they had either Mana or DPS boost, not both, but wouldn't be fully against them getting both. But again, as they are, they are fine.

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[ViviAnimus]

The truth of the matter is that you made it in no way clear in your initial post what you truly meant and that is entirely your fault.
Basically, everyone said the pasta was shit compared to other pasta and you said the pasta was fine and you don't understand why other people think the pasta is shit. That's basically how you conveyed your message in the first place. But it's good that at least we agree that Summoner should need a buff.
It should actually have more damage than a BLM since BLM is so much easier compared to Summoner. They are both easy though. Summoner should have higher TS damage since the AoE on BLM is a lot higher and effective.

[ViviAnimus]

Dragoon had its issues, Summoner has other issues. It's very simular. Dragoon had magical deffence issues and Summoner has MP issues. Dragoon had issues getting the numbers a Ninja and Monk could pull. Summoner can not pull the numbers a BLM can pull. That's all that needs to be said and that is all the justification to say that Summoner needs to be buffed in order to not make it obsolete. It should have - once again - higher ST damage and less AoE which it already has because

- Things die and need to be burst down, so the AoE on a BLM is still better on pretty much everything (Flare is huge on two targets).
- You don't always have stacks of eatherflow, so you have to actually save a stack and lose a bit of DPS sometimes. BLM has infinite mana and in the situations where you can AoE in Final coil you simply have to Flare the two targets on T10, you start with full mana on the Benu phase and you start with full mana on the add phase in T13 enabling you to just do the rotation.

[Skeith-Adeline]

If they are to have higher DPS, I feel like it is the pet that should acquire this boost. SMNs aren't bad at AoE, so I don't think they should be obtaining grandiose single target numbers (like a Monk: horrid AoE/god-tier ST).

Also, about our ease, it's because RNG plays too heavily a factor in our DPS. 580 dps burst 14% crit with 0 firestarter vs 800 dps burstwith 21% crit, 3 fire starter and 1 Thundercloud is... dramatic.

[Tex_Mex]

Compare that with BLM:

ST DPS: Low/Average
AoE DPS: High
Sustainability: High
Utility: Low

or BRD
ST DPS: Low/Average
Aoe DPS: Low/Average
Sustainability: Average
Utility: High