Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Meier]

I'm sure the job balance will be greatly adjusted when Heavensward is released, but do you have any jobs that you plan to adjust during the patch 2.5 series?
Y: In particular, I think we need to consider Summoner, but we're still working on the adjustments. Originally, we were planning to add new actions to Summoner with Heavensward to adjust MP consumption. However, since 3.0 is still a ways off, we're thinking about other careful adjustments. As we release each piece of content we see which jobs are too strong or not strong enough. We're also focusing on carefully adjusting things for 3.0, so we'd like to make adjustments as soon as possible, but please wait for a bit longer.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...229&viewfull=1

[Meier]

Either way, as I posted..they are going to be making adjustments to SMN. Prolly gonna do their own thing so..yeah..

[Minorinz]

Either way, as I posted..they are going to be making adjustments to SMN. Prolly gonna do their own thing so..yeah..

No official reply on the forums so I wouldn't take that an as indicator at all.

[BlaiseArath]

No official reply on the forums so I wouldn't take that an as indicator at all.

I might be misunderstanding you but... Those words are from Yoshida's mouth, every bit as valid as what he posts here.

[Minorinz]

I might be misunderstanding you but... Those words are from Yoshida's mouth, every bit as valid as what he posts here.

You should know this by now that if devs don't make an official post on the forums, then you can't really bind them to a commitment. There is no official proof that this will really be happening. Also according to that post, he is "considering" it, pretty much means nothing in my books. If they really had plans then why are aren't they posting anything official if Yoshida made the call already? In other words, they don't have plans for summoner, not a buff nor an adjustment.

[Meier]

No official reply on the forums so I wouldn't take that an as indicator at all.

Um..I'd say Yoshida saying it in an official press interview counts. He does not have time go to post on the forums every two seconds. He is a busy man..wow, just wow LOL.

You should know this by now that if devs don't make an official post on the forums, then you can't really bind them to a commitment. There is no official proof that this will really be happening. Also according to that post, he is "considering" it, pretty much means nothing in my books. If they really had plans then why are aren't they posting anything official if Yoshida made the call already? In other words, they don't have plans for summoner, not a buff nor an adjustment.

lmao I guess everything we see in the videos they show at the fan festivals is not a commitment. This just in guys, we probably aren't getting au'ra, or DRK, or Machnist..nor Astrologist..sorry. Because they did not post on the forums about them, in fact the entire heavensward expansion must be false. /sarcasm.

Yoshida does not have to post on here, or Square Enix..for everything to happen. That would be ridiculous. Give the man a break. o.O

OH! The dev blog too..that must be all made up stuff. Too funny XD

[Dyvid]

Um..I'd say Yoshida saying it in an official press interview counts. He does not have time go to post on the forums every two seconds. He is a busy man..wow, just wow LOL.

Isn't they why they hire EN community reps? Why aren't they gathering the JPN interviewers and translating them for us to read? Sorry but I'm just annoyed on how much communication has gone down hill since 2.0. I miss Letter from the Producer and really dislike Live Letters because we can't get official translate until weeks later yet people in the community can translate on the fly....

[Akiza]

The problem with the Summoner is its a DoT based DPS which is a mediocre DPS in today's MMORPGS and in this game. Back in the early days of MMORPGS when they required more strategy to play instead of just making DPS checks and dancing around mechanics DoT Damage Dealers were used as a debuffer/controller to debuff mobs and the boss. Since this game is designed around dancing around mechanic and making strict DPS checks the Summoner being DoT has no place in this game. The DoT job design is a relic of the past the Summoner is like an old antique car it looks good and has a lot of value in the show room but once on the road it loses all value because of how impractical it is.

[SomnusNemoris]

Double the entries does not mean anything. That and I think that it is a very fair interpretation considering I am both a SMN and BLM (have witnessed the difference first hand). Regarding the entries. People with ilvl 114 are doing more DPS than ilvl 130 Summoners, are you for real? I also used those numbers because Sen seemed to make the claim that people asking for a buff have no experience in end game and base themselves on dungeon, to which you said you agreed. "This sums it up very well" is what you said. I just found it funny that on the chart his DPS is from 60-90 DPS lower than what a BLM can do when at the same time putting his opinion out so arrogantly. Although it must be noted that low ilvl can also be pentamelded stuff. Still, it is a significant gap.
I have seen the BLM numbers from the start and it has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with people gearing up over time and then getting big numbers. And I would say that people (BLM) with ilvl 114 doing more damage than the top DPS with ilvl 135 weapon and ilvl 130, says a great deal about the gap between DPS. Those who claim that there is no huge gap are biased and blind. It is so obvious.
SMN is indeed lacking around 40+ DPS less than BLM, which has been proven over and over again and from personal experience I can say the same. BLM is indeed where it should be, SMN far from it. The chart speaks for itself. Actually, it is YOU who outDPS most of the 130 ones.
Also, seeing that the top DPS is from Death and Taxes, I guess that should at least tell you something, right? If that guy is like 40-80 DPS behind top tier BLM with his SMN, I think that should also tell you something.

[scarebearz]

Those who claim that there is no huge gap are biased and blind. It is so obvious.
SMN is indeed lacking around 40+ DPS less than BLM

As I said, comparing the extremes of a small sample of data with a larger one, is biased.

Even if it is accurate, a 40 dps difference in the 500's is not what I consider a "huge gap", it is around 8% at most.

Some of that 8% can be may up with an MP fix as the fights in question are of long duration and the rest could be made up with a small potency/gear fix.

Though I think a 5-6% boost would probably be about right.

The thing I am against are all the calls for BLM Nerfs, rather than boosting SMN to be on par.