Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[ViviAnimus]

Black mage is not easy to get high numbers on. The rotation makes it seem like a very easy class, but it's not easy to be a top tier BLM. That being said, SMN does not need a 17% increase because that is bathit insane. It needs higher ST damage by upping the potency of Fester to quite a bit more and reduce to CD on enkindle. That's all that is needed in combination with the mana issue.

[Akiza]

Black mage is not easy to get high numbers on. The rotation makes it seem like a very easy class, but it's not easy to be a top tier BLM. That being said, SMN does not need a 17% increase because that is bathit insane. It needs higher ST damage by upping the potency of Fester to quite a bit more and reduce to CD on enkindle. That's all that is needed in combination with the mana issue.

But is easier to be a top tier Black Mage then a top tier Summoner. It's not easy to be in the top tier on any job but it's harder to be a top tier Summoner compared to other DPS.

[ViviAnimus]

From my experience I completely disagree. To fully master BLM to the extend that I did, it took me like months whilest Summoner took me two weeks to get good on. The difference between BLM and SMN is that for BLM you need to be a lot more calculative when it comes to fights. You don't have that so much as a Summoner. Summoner is harder than BLM rotation wise, and probably a bit harder overall, but that should not be a reason for SMN to massively outDPS BLM. It should just be balanced regardless of difficulty. It just makes sense that SMN should just do more ST damage than a BLM and a BLM should do more AoE. Utility, well I would give SMN some actual useful utility and an MP tweak. Surely you can't disagree with that?

[Romsca]

simple mp fix for summoner; give them a separate gear set from black mage with piety on it. just take the current gear shared between summoner and black mage and recolor it just like SE did with nin/brd (ironworks and gloam/auroral), mnk/drg (ironworks), mnk/nin (dreadwyrm). Lazy art department.

[Sunako]

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I think it is pretty much personal preference. For somebody SMN can be easier, for somebody BLM can be easier and for somebody both are easy play that have used 2 play mmo games..

[ViviAnimus]

Giving Summoner PIE is denying them a secondary stat which ultimately denies them more damage. You would basically fix the MP issues but nerf their overall (weakest) damage. That solution won't do any good.

[mvenom]

Giving Summoner PIE is denying them a secondary stat which ultimately denies them more damage. You would basically fix the MP issues but nerf their overall (weakest) damage. That solution won't do any good.

Or the piety could be similar to Healers having Accuracy on gear. Not like +20 pie per item, but like 5-10.

But this would give black mages more piety as well so idk how balanced that would be.

[ViviAnimus]

Yes, I guess that would work, but it still wouldn't fix the MP issue, imo. The idea of energy drain needs to go because it is forcing you to gimp your DPS. You should not be reliant on energy drain. It should suffice for casters that if they pop their eather flow in time, that they should not run out of MP or at least not after 3-4 minutes.

[Akiza]

Black Mage potency is 12% higher than Summoner more mp isn't going to fix that. SE should reduce the cool down on Aetherflow to 30s and reduce the cool down on Enkindle to 30s.

[mvenom]

WTF is 12% higher potency? Where do u get those numbers. Aetherflow 30s would make scholar too OP.
Most of the summoners crying here just have no clue how to play. DPS is fine, just fix pet AI and slightly less mana cost on skills and we are good to go. Maybe slight potency increase because BLM utility is much better (dont even start about combat ress).