Dragoons not allowed to use Stun? (Low level Dungeons)

[Galactimus]

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More like some people don't give proper stunning enough credit

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And for the tank who dislike Dragoon stun stated above, I see absolutely no reason why the Dragoon need to hold their stun skill ( lose their optimal DPS) in the fight where to stun or not, is not even a matter????

I listed many situations and abilities that should be stunned which benefits the party far more than random Leg Sweeps. I never said a Dragoon should never use Leg Sweep; only that it should be treated more situationally and not as a 1, 2, 3 DPS ability with no consequences. Furthermore, your "leg sweep is optimal dps" rant is just silly. So you raised your DPS by 10; congratulations(?). That sounds far more useful then stunning hard hitting moves properly. You know, when a healer doesn't have to heal us they put up far more DPS then your silly leg sweep.

Preventing the party from being paralyzed, heavily nuked, stunned, charmed, or one-shotted, gives the party more overall party DPS than random "Leg Sweep DMG!" on many encounters. There are a LOT of "tunnel vision / max deeps" Dragoons who don't look at the big picture.

[Kasathar]

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[LionKing]

Unless the boss need to be stun to cancel out their attack or to delay their movement (Dread in T5, Second boss in Satasha, Caster add in LEVI Ex,...), I can see why NOBODY else should use stun on them but Tanks due to the fact it messes with the timing and number of Stun. Other than that, whoever says you should not use Stun under any other circumstances, they are bloody idiots and you can either laugh at their stupidity or ignore them and move on.

Another reason is a great deal number of bosses are stun resistance. So, to Stun or not, it does not matter. However, using your stun skill is the DPS increase.

And for the tank who dislike Dragoon stun stated above, I see absolutely no reason why the Dragoon need to hold their stun skill ( lose their optimal DPS) in the fight where to stun or not, is not even a matter???? Why you have to stun them when they can just be taken down an fast??. Is it because as of a Paladin, you feel the need to show off your skills as Paladin by throwing out random Stuns that serves no purpose and a waste of TP and GCD?.....And normally, in the fight, where Stun is not matter, the skill,even goes off, will NOT 1 hit KO you by all means and DODGE-ABLE, unless you are Way Way under geared, or just being a dummy standing there and feel invincible?? apparently it is not the case though.

[ChaozK]

Id wish they would find a better solution for the diminishing returns of stuns. Silence doesnt build up resistance, so bards and ninjas are free to use their silences without getting in the way of PLDs interrupts, not so much with the stuns of DRGs and MNKs.

The only reason why they couldnt make it like silence is most likely because PLDs own stun not having a CD, so it would be somewhat abusable. Its kinda ironic if you think about it.

[Kasathar]

Sadly I think we are getting into an argument for nothing, if "some" people read the original post, you would know the OP is not talking about boss fights, the OP is talking about trash mobs in a dungeon.

But oh well, this just further proves my point that PLD's tend to be pretty touchy in regards to their only spammable ability, as if it was the all be all. Thanks for the laughs.

[RyuDragnier]

Sadly I think we are getting into an argument for nothing, if "some" people read the original post, you would know the OP is not talking about boss fights, the OP is talking about trash mobs in a dungeon.

But oh well, this just further proves my point that PLD's tend to be pretty touchy in regards to their only spammable ability, as if it was the all be all. Thanks for the laughs.

Saddest part is most PLDs you see won't touch the skill, like they don't know it exists. Then the rest of them wonder why DPS will stun moves they as PLDs usually do...because DPS is used to seeing PLDs who won't stun.

[Laerune]

The stun adds a stun + dmg for you, I do not see any fault from your side.

[LionKing]

I am Paladin and to me, Stun a mob, unless it has to be done, is a waste of TP, DPS and waste of GCD. I am not upset if people stun or not, as long as the don't mess up the fight in the process, they can stun to their heart content, save my energy!!!

And no, lol, don't sum all Paladin as an Stun Emo Ass, only a very minor of us are.

[Sapphic]

I am Paladin and to me, Stun a mob, unless it has to be done, is a waste of TP, DPS and waste of GCD. I am not upset if people stun or not, as long as the don't mess up the fight in the process, they can stun to their heart content, save my energy!!!

And no, lol, don't sum all Paladin as an Stun Emo Ass, only a very minor of us are.

Most stuns are off GCD, why they are a DPS increase as they can be weaved into your normal abilities. But they have a colldown (just like WARs) PLDs ability is on GCD but has no CD, so is balanced.

[Nyalia]

As everyone else has said, that PLD was a moron and extremely rude. Tanks that are rude for no reason are a thing, sadly (as are people being rude to tanks for no reason).

I usually tank (as PLD even) and I welcome DRG stuns, especially DRGs who are smart with their stuns. Enemies with no big stunnable attack - stun as part of your DPS rotation. It's part of being a DRG and there's nothing wrong with it. But, some enemies have a big attack that's stunnable (Manor Maidservant in Haukke NM, the mobs in Haukke HM that corrupt the woodwailers, the Charry Harriers in Snowcloak, the voidcalling cultists in AK, the bees in Qarn NM, the snakes in Qarn HM, most bosses, and so on. For those enemies, stunning them is still fine, as long as you stun their big attack. When I play DRG against those foes, I don't stun as part of my DPS rotation, but I do stun when those abilities come up.

The difference between you stunning as a DPS and the tank stunning as a PLD is that stunning increases your DPS while stunning decreases the tank's DPS. As a tradeoff, your stun is shorter than the tank's. If the content is hard for your group, the PLD's stun is better, but if it's easy content, your stun is better because it increases party DPS and shortens the fight a bit. So, the tank saying he has to stun and you can't is like the tank saying that he's terrible at tanking and needs the longer stun to survive. Just keep that in mind.


And there are a few enemies that need to be chain-stunned, but that's totally different and only appears in endgame raids, and if you don't know that going into an endgame raid like T5 or Leviathan Extreme, you didn't read up enough on the fight beforehand.


Oh, and one other thing - PLD stun doesn't become 6s until level 36. Before that (level 18-35), it's only 3s. DRG Leg Sweep is 3s at all levels, so at level 35 and below, DRG stun is way better than PLD stun (off GCD, no TP cost, 20 potency higher damage). DRG Leg Sweep just gets a CD decrease at 28 from 30s to 20s. Spineshatter Dive (level 40) though is only a 2s stun. But, Brayflox NM is level-synced to 34. So, why was that PLD complaining that you were using a superior ability, preventing him from using a far worse one? Oh, right, he was a moron.