Speed Running Is Getting Out of Hand

[Black91CRX]

While grinding for Zodiac drops, I got into Copper HM with a fresh 50 healer. Tank pulled every mob up to first boss at once (after the initial lift gate). I was thoroughly impressed with his ability to keep up.

[Zedd702]

While grinding for Zodiac drops, I got into Copper HM with a fresh 50 healer. Tank pulled every mob up to first boss at once (after the initial lift gate). I was thoroughly impressed with his ability to keep up.

I believe this was me lol... This is vaguely familiar and I had a blast with whatever team I was on. Your name looks familiar too!

Not that I am a "fresh" 50 healer, I but my ilvl was 100 WHM.

I never SR copperbell, but when I saw what was pulled to the boss, even through the boulders we had to stop for etc, I was surprised at the licks the tank was able to take while dancing around at the roadblocks. I'm even more shocked I could toss in Holy in most of those herds...

If this was not you, then I ran it with another tank that I believe was in Allagan gear, but I swear it was your name. I too was there for Zodiac weapon.

Therein lies the problem. Sure, people will always find a way to do things more efficiently, but they're stubbornly sticking to an old method that - yes, while it does work - is debatable in its efficiency. That is of course considering high TP cost, low damage AoEs vs strong single target DPS (which at higher gear levels tears through trash anyways). Not an issue for casters, yes, but not everyone is a caster. And not everyone WANTS to speed run.

Fact is, the "choice" is an illusion. Well geared healer? You're a heal machine - we can speed run! Tank? You set the pace - better speed run. DPS with decent gear/aoes? Keep up - you're speed running. Tested the tank pace-setting thing myself (note: it didn't work) and believe me, I'm not afraid to simply drop party in an Eorzean minute the moment I hear salt about big pulls. Truly, it upsets me to do that, but it's either play the way someone else dictates - regardless of my role - or eat a timer and either go with friends/FC/PF group in 30 more minutes. And that's if they're available, AND if they themselves don't want to speed run. So again, the "choice" is sadly, an illusion.

No, there is a choice... let them kick you or they can work together. If the tank or healer is not up for a Speed Run, then a speed run will not happen. If the tank is up for one but lacks the DPS to make for an efficient SR, then the tank will have to learn it the hard way with his own life or lifeline aka healers MP...

[Black91CRX]

I believe this was me lol... This is vaguely familiar and I had a blast with whatever team I was on. Your name looks familiar too!

Not that I am a "fresh" 50 healer, I but my ilvl was 100 WHM.
If this was not you, then I ran it with another tank that I believe was in Allagan gear, but I swear it was your name. I too was there for Zodiac weapon.

Nah, the guy I was speaking of was definitely a fresh 50. AF geared and less than 3K HP. However, you probably did run with me another time. Ive spammed Copper a bunch lately ^^

[Zedd702]

I see what you are saying, but if you want a relaxing run, do High level or Low lvl. EX currently is for quick tomes due to everyone wanting to get done asap for them to NOT see their item drop, lol. I don't like it either, but I do it. On tank, on heals on DPS. I get my daily bonus quicker so I can move on to other stuff.

What was said earlier though about heals controlling the pace as well is spot on. I do my best to keep up, but if I can't, first to notice is the tank and adjustments are made.

Doesn't matter the roulette to be honest this is really common amongst even the lowest of dungeons, mostly roulettes. There's already a thread similar to this to this one already "Do tanks always rush"

Nah, the guy I was speaking of was definitely a fresh 50. AF geared and less than 3K HP. However, you probably did run with me another time. Ive spammed Copper a bunch lately ^^

Oh ok. I still believe that day I ran with you as tank.

Personally, I think its more a problem of player courtesy more than anything else. When I tank, I always ask if the group is more comfortable with large or normal pulls. And if they say they dont want to run fast, then I take it one group at a time.

So I'm surprised that so many people dont listen to their group. Especially their healer, if they tell you they need you to slow down youd best listen...

I 150% agree and preached this in the thread I quoted above.

[EinherjarLucian]

While grinding for Zodiac drops, I got into Copper HM with a fresh 50 healer. Tank pulled every mob up to first boss at once (after the initial lift gate). I was thoroughly impressed with his ability to keep up.

A fresh 50 healer can do just fine as long as the tank does his part and uses cooldowns and dodges aoes. And at least a fresh 50 healer isn't in much danger of stealing threat through healing enmity! It's arguably much worse with a fresh tank and overgeared DD and healers, but still manageable as long as the DDs (and the healers) watch their threat carefully.

[Rasylia]

as long as the DDs (and the healers) watch their threat carefully.

You pinpointed one of the biggest problems.

[Dayne]

Did the new WP for the first time earlier today, the tank ended up pulling 2-3 packs at a time, i didn't mind, and don't usually mind(as long as tanks dodge).

But the fault for this is not on the players, this brand spanking new dungeon is FACE ROLL EASY, especially the trash mobs, yes im a good bit over i90, but with a full i90 party i honestly believe 2 packs per pull would be a cake walk(as long as you have some aoe dps)

These dungeons are just far to easy.

Though the bosses are well balanced for the most part.

[Charisma]

You pinpointed one of the biggest problems.

You mean the one, where tanks are still pulling, when they are down to 4k HP and healer gains aggro, because he is FORCED to heal?

This is the worst type of tanks, i might keep tanks up which do refuse to use cooldowns, but no one else but the tank is supposed to get dmg at mass pulls.