Why did SE decide to make the three new classes not require base classes?

[Ghishlain]

I like that the new jobs are jobs only, it gives S-E more quests to help flesh out the story for that particular job instead of having two separate sets of stories needed to complete the job (one for classes, the second for the job). I will admit though, I found the class stories are better than the job stories from what I've seen so far so I hope the new job storyline will be equally as enjoyable. Here's hoping.

Off-topic, there's a little bit of delicious irony involved here knowing that Fran Seara is a "Pro-Class / Anti-Job" player, yet has finished a Zodiac weapon that can only be equipped by a JOB and not the class itself. Based on post history, I'm beginning to think Fran is just a troll though @.@

[Teslo]

Bard would be worthlees for anything without the base skills earned from leveling ARCHER. THis gos for the ALL the JOBS. Take way the base ruin, the job. PLD with almost no attacks? Whm without cure?

For some reason you seem to think that Job = The 5 abilities that you quest for over 20 levels. This is the main issue with the problem you're having here. The Job is a culmination of abilities brought to it by the classes and enhanced by the 5 abilities you think are standalone. Note: Enhanced. If you were to remove the "Classes", the "Job" would then include everything you learn up to level 30 as well as everything you learn past level 30. That's it. I'm really beginning to wonder at your ability to ... you know... think.

[Teslo]

Off-topic, there's a little bit of delicious irony involved here knowing that Fran Seara is a "Pro-Class / Anti-Job" player, yet has finished a Zodiac weapon that can only be equipped by a JOB and not the class itself. Based on post history, I'm beginning to think Fran is just a troll though @.@

That would certainly explain a lot...

[FranSeara]

Kuwagami, We may never agree on this but I do understand what you're saying. Maybe its because I didnt start playing untill way after 1.0. So, some of us and I don't have knowledge of the old systems what were in place. What I see is that some players just wanna throw away the stories I've and maybe we have enjoyed for the pass year. I'm all for change but why waste time changing the past. Let's move foward, the Jobs will be Jobs and most of us will be happy. If ES can somehow keep classes in the but "Soup" them up some I'd be happy. If not I'll just go away. (I'am sure that would make some of you happy) I reason I hate BRD. I hate support jobs. After getting the BRD stone I grow to hate playing has bard and started to play mostly solo with Archer. I only join groups that invite me and are willing to live with me playing ACR If you dont like that dont invite me to your group. Luckly most players on my server understand that.

ps:I hope we'll be able to agree on something One day.

[FranSeara]

That would certainly explain a lot...

No troll. promise Be it would be nice if ES would fix that to read ARH/BRD

[Viridiana]

What I see is that some players just wanna throw away the stories I've and maybe we have enjoyed for the pass year.

I don't think most of us want to get rid of the stories. Heck, I love the PGL, ARC, CNJ, and ROG stories, for example. If anything, I'd like to see the class stories do a better job leading into the job stories (ROG I think did a fairly good job). At the same time, though, I don't see any compelling reason to keep the classes and jobs as separate entities.

[FranSeara]

[QUOTE=Teslo;2684822]For some reason you seem to think that Job = The 5 abilities that you quest for over 20 levels. This is the main issue with the problem you're having here. The Job is a culmination of abilities brought to it by the classes and enhanced by the 5 abilities you think are standalone. Note: Enhanced. If you were to remove the "Classes", the "Job" would then include everything you learn up to level 30 as well as everything you learn past level 30.
Nope, Wrong here. Or we may see it differantly. I see as the Classes brings almost all the skills while the job adds special skills and bonus. Take your off soul gem and you still have almost your skills, take away all the classes skills from a job and you have only 6-8 skills. Exmaple I almost never get any gems untill ever late levels maybe lv 40-45. Mainly due to other playes being pushy about it. I have tons of skills without a soul gems. "I feel less flexable with a soul gem"

[RichardButte]

Post1:
I just recently introduced a bunch of friends to FFXIV.

They don't seem to mind having to level multiple classes to make a job. It makes the job feel "special" in that they needed to go the extra mile to earn it.

That said, I can see why classes don't make much sense, moving forward. After all, if barely any of the classes are going to wind up at the end game, why have them?

If a class was heavily differentiated from its job counterpart(s), that'd be one thing, but that's rarely the case: a SMN/SCH is really just an ACN with a few extra abilities tacked on.

[RichardButte]

Post2:

Now, if you're going to keep classes around, it would make sense that each class is the root for 2-3 different jobs (maybe more). If THM, at 30, branched out into 5 different flavors of caster, each one unique from the other except for the base THM skills, then I'd say classes make sense because the first 30 levels of a class would effectively be the first 30 points on a "talent tree" of sorts that the player will later branch off on.

But most classes become one job, and most classes are not in any way better off for NOT becoming said job, ergo I can see why they'd want to stop adding classes at this point.

[RichardButte]

Post3:

Do I think they should pull out existing classes? Not really. There's a lot of storyline that would be lost and, as I said, none of my friends seem to mind leveling a 2nd class to 15 to acquire their job class (it does add a certain "multiclass" flavor to the game).

But yeah, I'd hope they ensure that there's some variety to these three new jobs in their playstyles. In a perfect world, every class would be able to perform at least one support role in addition to their DPS role (ala Wildstar's classes).