Why did SE decide to make the three new classes not require base classes?

[Viridiana]

Most player never get to try any endgame stuff. We cleared Coil 1 and Coil 2 in an planned PF group. No one was held back and it was really easy with a Bard in the party make up. You dont really need two Bards. Point being is " I Did it!" Classes could just going on to become their own jobs. I hate Bard. I love Archer. wouldnt be nice if Archer was it its own JOB, made with endgame in mind? More jobs = more FUN = more choices for endgame groups to make. Also, it makes for bad story telling for a Lv 1 Bard to "Just" know how to use a bow. It makes for great story telling for a Archer to learn how to use a Harp. I still hate ALL Endgame stuff.

ARC is just a BRD that doesn't sing. >_>

[roninoftagrm]

Is the game being "dumbed-down" a bit?

lulz, 14 is essentially dumbed down by using the spam/gcd/rotation system found in rift/wow/ro2/etc, instead of evolving on what made 11 so unique, the tp building system(14.1 might have been good but i didnt play it:/)

[FranSeara]

ARC is just a BRD that doesn't sing. >_>

Bard is nothing without Archer. Bard without Archer = a guy with a Harp and no almost no attacks. Worthless for endgame.

[roninoftagrm]

ARC is just a BRD that doesn't sing. >_>

that would be kicked from a raid or dungeon of post 30 because every WHM wants mages ballad and casters/nin want foes

[roninoftagrm]

Bard is nothing without Archer. Bard without Archer = a guy with a Harp and no almost no attacks. Worthless for endgame.

http://aurakingdom.aeriagames.com/azuria/classes
click bard

using damaging sound/music based magic you hurt the baddies.

[Kuwagami]

Taking them out RUINS our FUN.

stop with that nonsense. Classes bring nothing that a job can't. Unless you're doing challenging stuff with odd set up (like the 1 SCH 7 MRD T9 I've seen) but you said end game stuff isn't your cup of tea so there's nothing left. Taking classes out at this point will only change one thing for you : you'll be named whatever the job is instead whatever the class is. And you'll do a better job.

If SE could find a way to make classes good for endgame then this "Class hate" wouldnt be a problem.

Flash news, there is no "class hate". Some people are just aware that classes are remnants of the past and are useless to the point the only reason they managed to come from 1.0 is lore. You want to have a use for "classes" ? Ask for the freelancer job. That's a jack-of-all-trades. What classes here fail to even imitate.

Most player never get to try any endgame stuff. We cleared Coil 1 and Coil 2 in an planned PF group. No one was held back and it was really easy with a Bard in the party make up. You dont really need two Bards. Point being is " I Did it!" Classes could just going on to become their own jobs. I hate Bard. I love Archer. wouldnt be nice if Archer was it its own JOB, made with endgame in mind? More jobs = more FUN = more choices for endgame groups to make. Also, it makes for bad story telling for a Lv 1 Bard to "Just" know how to use a bow. It makes for great story telling for a Archer to learn how to use a Harp. I still hate ALL Endgame stuff.

2 things :
=> If you have a bard already and "2 bards aren't needed", why would you bring archer ? if a 2nd bard isn't needed, an archer will bring nothing.
=> a bard is an archer with one more AoE and great utility which you can chose to be bad and never use. What exactly don't you like in bard if you like archer ?


and as a bonus : if you hate end game, why the heck would you either do end game stuff or even play this game (focusing on end game stuff) ?

I'm genuinely curious about all my questions.


also :

Bard is nothing without Archer. Bard without Archer = a guy with a Harp and no almost no attacks. Worthless for endgame.

I take it you never played anything remotely close to a support type class. Worthless ? bah. You don't know what you're talking about.

Also, you missed their point horribly. IN THIS GAME, a bard is a useful archer. so every archer past lv30 is a failed bard. On the contrary, you can't be bard if you aren't archer, thus your point is... dumb as best.

[FranSeara]

Point be is "You can't have a jobs without classes". Now, going foward yeah we will. In this game Archer is DPS up to lv 30 when the game forces you to become some support/dps job. Not what some of some of us sign up for. Archer could grow to become its won Job "Ranger" If the Devs wanted to go this way.

[FranSeara]

Bard would be worthlees for anything without the base skills earned from leveling ARCHER. THis gos for the ALL the JOBS. Take way the base ruin, the job. PLD with almost no attacks? Whm without cure?

[Gramul]

Bard would be worthlees for anything without the base skills earned from leveling ARCHER. THis gos for the ALL the JOBS. Take way the base ruin, the job. PLD with almost no attacks? Whm without cure?

Couldn't you just have the job progress like the class does?

[Kuwagami]

snip.

you can have jobs without classes. Just because they kept 1.0 lore doesn't mean they couldn't have just get rid of all this crap before launching 2.0. Don't get me wrong. I love their lore. But the whole concept of class => job in this game is rather bland. Job => advanced jobs as it's done in other MMOs is far more enjoyable as there is still a use for lower tier jobs. Here the classes have no use.

That said, I now know you don't know what you're talking about for archer/bard.

Archer was made with bard in mind. Archer is already the "support/dps" you don't like, with their dps lowered compared to the others to fit its insane utility coming with job quests. The whole class was designed with bard in mind. You didn't sign up for bard ? Why did you even pick up archer then ?

Bard would be worthlees for anything without the base skills earned from leveling ARCHER. THis gos for the ALL the JOBS. Take way the base ruin, the job. PLD with almost no attacks? Whm without cure?

once again you make no sense. Seriously. If there was no archer, bard would have learned all the skills of archer in its place. It would just have had an other name.