Why did SE decide to make the three new classes not require base classes?

[FranSeara]

Final Fantasy XI and every Final Fantasy game "just" has jobs... and they arent less complex..

when they get rid of conjurer... they wont need to get rid of the conjurers skills.. because they are almost typical WHM skills anyways..


It would be good thing, so they wont need to implement a new class for every new job. starting from lv 1 with the specific job.



because you play a class in endgame?

Yes, I've have played Archer up to T9 in endgame. All Clear. I play Mard and Archer.
Not everyone cares about endgame, most players dont. Some of us play for FUN and like to play classes in Fates and open world stuff. Taking them out RUINS our FUN.
If SE could find a way to make classes good for endgame then this "Class hate" wouldnt be a problem.

[Teslo]

Yes, I've have played Archer up to T9 in endgame. All Clear. I play Mard and Archer.
Not everyone cares about endgame, most players dont. Some of us play for FUN and like to play classes in Fates and open world stuff. Taking them out RUINS our FUN.
If SE could find a way to make classes good for endgame then this "Class hate" wouldnt be a problem.

Endgame is fun to most of us. Saying that you don't care about endgame while in the same sentence saying that you play classes in endgame is kind of an oxymoron. If you're actually playing a class during endgame content (While simultaneously not caring about that content) all you're doing is making things harder for the people in your group to clear the content. This can be fun for some people, but since you don't even care about that content, it's clearly not fun for you, either. All you're doing is throwing a temper tantrum with absolutely no reasons to back it up. What reasons you have given are in conflict with themselves.

Classes are not optimal for endgame content because the endgame content is designed with Job skills in mind. This, by very definition, means that classes aren't a consideration when implementing new content, which only means that they are an outdated relic from a system that is no longer relevant. To keep them in the game at this point is to stagnate development on new and exciting content.

I'm reminded of WoW's Cataclysm launch. Blizzard changed the entire game. Every zone was altered, every quest was changed. Old quests were removed in place of the new quests. Some zones were entirely destroyed in the changes brought by the new expansion. The game was forever altered from the ground up. Literally. Even the skill tree systems changed. There was some resistance, but ultimately everyone agreed that it was a good thing. People who got to play in the earlier versions had something to reminisce about, and new content to explore on low-level alt characters. I'm willing to bet that someone complained that changing the maps and everything in-game would RUIN people's FUN. But they did it, and it was awesome and nobody stopped having fun.

[FranSeara]

Most player never get to try any endgame stuff. We cleared Coil 1 and Coil 2 in an planned PF group. No one was held back and it was really easy with a Bard in the party make up. You dont really need two Bards. Point being is " I Did it!" Classes could just going on to become their own jobs. I hate Bard. I love Archer. wouldnt be nice if Archer was it its own JOB, made with endgame in mind? More jobs = more FUN = more choices for endgame groups to make. Also, it makes for bad story telling for a Lv 1 Bard to "Just" know how to use a bow. It makes for great story telling for a Archer to learn how to use a Harp. I still hate ALL Endgame stuff.

[Viridiana]

Most player never get to try any endgame stuff. We cleared Coil 1 and Coil 2 in an planned PF group. No one was held back and it was really easy with a Bard in the party make up. You dont really need two Bards. Point being is " I Did it!" Classes could just going on to become their own jobs. I hate Bard. I love Archer. wouldnt be nice if Archer was it its own JOB, made with endgame in mind? More jobs = more FUN = more choices for endgame groups to make. Also, it makes for bad story telling for a Lv 1 Bard to "Just" know how to use a bow. It makes for great story telling for a Archer to learn how to use a Harp. I still hate ALL Endgame stuff.

ARC is just a BRD that doesn't sing. >_>

[FranSeara]

ARC is just a BRD that doesn't sing. >_>

Bard is nothing without Archer. Bard without Archer = a guy with a Harp and no almost no attacks. Worthless for endgame.

[roninoftagrm]

Bard is nothing without Archer. Bard without Archer = a guy with a Harp and no almost no attacks. Worthless for endgame.

http://aurakingdom.aeriagames.com/azuria/classes
click bard

using damaging sound/music based magic you hurt the baddies.

[roninoftagrm]

ARC is just a BRD that doesn't sing. >_>

that would be kicked from a raid or dungeon of post 30 because every WHM wants mages ballad and casters/nin want foes

[Kuwagami]

Taking them out RUINS our FUN.

stop with that nonsense. Classes bring nothing that a job can't. Unless you're doing challenging stuff with odd set up (like the 1 SCH 7 MRD T9 I've seen) but you said end game stuff isn't your cup of tea so there's nothing left. Taking classes out at this point will only change one thing for you : you'll be named whatever the job is instead whatever the class is. And you'll do a better job.

If SE could find a way to make classes good for endgame then this "Class hate" wouldnt be a problem.

Flash news, there is no "class hate". Some people are just aware that classes are remnants of the past and are useless to the point the only reason they managed to come from 1.0 is lore. You want to have a use for "classes" ? Ask for the freelancer job. That's a jack-of-all-trades. What classes here fail to even imitate.

Most player never get to try any endgame stuff. We cleared Coil 1 and Coil 2 in an planned PF group. No one was held back and it was really easy with a Bard in the party make up. You dont really need two Bards. Point being is " I Did it!" Classes could just going on to become their own jobs. I hate Bard. I love Archer. wouldnt be nice if Archer was it its own JOB, made with endgame in mind? More jobs = more FUN = more choices for endgame groups to make. Also, it makes for bad story telling for a Lv 1 Bard to "Just" know how to use a bow. It makes for great story telling for a Archer to learn how to use a Harp. I still hate ALL Endgame stuff.

2 things :
=> If you have a bard already and "2 bards aren't needed", why would you bring archer ? if a 2nd bard isn't needed, an archer will bring nothing.
=> a bard is an archer with one more AoE and great utility which you can chose to be bad and never use. What exactly don't you like in bard if you like archer ?


and as a bonus : if you hate end game, why the heck would you either do end game stuff or even play this game (focusing on end game stuff) ?

I'm genuinely curious about all my questions.


also :

Bard is nothing without Archer. Bard without Archer = a guy with a Harp and no almost no attacks. Worthless for endgame.

I take it you never played anything remotely close to a support type class. Worthless ? bah. You don't know what you're talking about.

Also, you missed their point horribly. IN THIS GAME, a bard is a useful archer. so every archer past lv30 is a failed bard. On the contrary, you can't be bard if you aren't archer, thus your point is... dumb as best.