What changes can be made to Wolves' Den to make it more attractive to pvpers?

[kpxmanifesto]

Almost nobody does Wolves' Den. Why is this? What should be fixed?

[nickx]

Old post, but everything mentioned here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Long-Term-PvP

Of everything on that list, a personal rating system would likely be the biggest motivation for PvPers to queue Wolves' Den, where rating gradually increases as you win, and decreases when you lose over a long period of time. However, if these rankings are determined the same way in which Frontlines standings are currently done (based on amount of weekly victories), it will be a complete failure and inefficient way to determine rankings.

[Demeos]

A crouch button? :P

[Raidenz]

It needs to be best out of 3 so you get more out of that hour queue time.

[Yaltus]

I think the biggest problem is the PvP/Marks rewards are terrible in comparison with Frontlines. Yes, a Wolves Den match takes a fraction of the time a Frontlines match takes, but when you take queues into account you are simply wasting your time queuing for Den if you are trying to rank up.

They should also give a quest marker to the NPC for unlocked synced level 50 Den. Most people don't know it exists. They could probably remove the level 30 and 40 Den matches as well; this would help queue times (less things to queue for) and also help with the XP problem, as the level 30 and 40 Den give less XP than 50.

[Cidolfas86]

I think the biggest problem is the PvP/Marks rewards are terrible in comparison with Frontlines. Yes, a Wolves Den match takes a fraction of the time a Frontlines match takes, but when you take queues into account you are simply wasting your time queuing for Den if you are trying to rank up.

They should also give a quest marker to the NPC for unlocked synced level 50 Den. Most people don't know it exists. They could probably remove the level 30 and 40 Den matches as well; this would help queue times (less things to queue for) and also help with the XP problem, as the level 30 and 40 Den give less XP than 50.

I can get behind this. Those Wolves Den Challenge logs never seem to get done, and I need the exp for rank ups. Its also more fun than frontlines cause there's less people to screw up.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Its also more fun than frontlines cause there's less people to screw up.

I think you have things backwards: Less people means more weight on each individual which means that screw ups tend to have a greater effect. That ends up making matches less fun. Combine that with absolutely no turnabout/recovery mechanics and you end up with a very unpopular format. This along with the previous Morale mechanics pretty much killed Wolf's Den once the much more popular i80 Frontlines came out.

8(2T/2H/2M/2R)vs8(2T/2H/2M/2R) with decent rewards would likely be a more viable Wolf's Den format.

[Khonrath]

They need to get rid of it. I would rather have fun in Frontlines because 4v4 is boring as hell. Personally I would rather have an OW PvP server, but since XIV is a PvE platform, Frontlines is currently the only fun option.

[kensatsu]

maybe the moral was a too high buff but complaining about loosing at better ranked was not a good idea, because rank restriction killed it by making queue too long.
also there is not point to queueing to play for a short time, need best reward.
Need more than 1 round, why just one game it can be down fast 1 to 5 minute.
Need a ranking.
PVP server ? 4vs4 is boring, but get killed by a PK when you doing something else than pvp is fun...

[Khonrath]

maybe the moral was a too high buff but complaining about loosing at better ranked was not a good idea, because rank restriction killed it by making queue too long.
also there is not point to queueing to play for a short time, need best reward.
Need more than 1 round, why just one game it can be down fast 1 to 5 minute.
Need a ranking.
PVP server ? 4vs4 is boring, but get killed by a PK when you doing something else than pvp is fun...

If you would have ever played Warhammer AoR you would understand a little bit about how a PvP server works.