Done!

[QiLymePye]

Actually, like i said, its not just the grind. They just need to nerf the boredom of it. And other stupid things. If im waiting more than playing, then its time to fix content. Hell you know how they can nerf it to be better? Make the atams available as drops in all dungeons depending on zone. Increase amount of light gained, etc. Since old content is not being played, stop tying up long lengthy quest to old dungeons. Tie them to newer content. The way it is now, the later you start, the more impossible it is to start. Thats not a good quest idea

[Shioban]

Depends. Relic was indeed rewarding because of the challenge, but once the Atma stage started... it was a cesspool of broken dreams. If the final step for the Zodiac doesn't involve something new (a new challenging Relic/Zodiac Reborn fight), then it's going to feel about as rewarding as that time you got your Atma/Nexus. "Glad that waste of time is done with."

That's exactly what I want. And what most people expected to happen originally.

What's challenging about face-rolling Level 5 fates for 3 hours?

Challenge; (noun)

a task or situation that tests someone's abilities.
"the traverse of the ridge is a challenge for experienced climbers"
synonyms: problem, difficult task, test, trial; More

It's hasn't been challening at all so far.

Unless there's someone here who could somehow revise the definition for challenge by saying "Running Sastacha HM 32 times, Garuda 200 times and grinding Fates in Middle La Noscea REALLY TESTED MY SKILLS!"


If we had to defeat Twintania > Nael Deus Darnus > Bahamut then perhaps it would make sense, yes.

Or even some new form of content like you said with Chimera > Hydra and the introduction/incentive to the HM Primals that required some form of skill or skill improvement or even teamwork. The origianl relic quest FORCED players to learn. If you couldn't do Titan HM you were screwed. But people prevailed. And the sense of achievement for beating that fight was leaps and bounds above "Oh look I got my Novus...doing Garuda 200 times sure was exciting! I EARNED THIS!!"


Like you said fights would provide some form of challenge. Albeit an impossible way to do it seeing as they want it to be long/grindy, yet easy. It's kinda sad.

I don't see them adding; "Clear X Turn of Coil X times" anytime soon for it. And I generally hope they never do. Something unique would be nicer.

[Balipu]

For everyone leaving: Okay, bro, see you in three weeks!

[Parasite]

I don't want to hop into the middle of some debate, but you cannot get your relic quest completed in 1 hour a night if you are playing certain classes. Many of those low level dungeons have an hour queue time just to enter, much less complete it.

This is an MMO.. Make some friends and queue up with them then.
Why does everyone think this is a single player game with a chat?

[Edit:]

See, this is what alienates players. Congrats, you have time to play destiny, and DA:Inquisition, and get 8hrs a sleep a night...make me wonder what time you have for family, if you have one. See, your time is gonna be valued differently to you than to someone else. you can't just say, well i have time so you should to. Everyone has their own circumstances and things to do in life. when I read your post, first thing i thought was either you are lying, or you dont have responsibilities like family at home, or you shirk your responsibilities when at home, but either way, your time is different than someone elses.

And then I wonder, when did you get your relic, was it before Destiny and DA were released? Because I have both, I love DA. But there is no way on God's green earth that you would have been able to get your relic while playing destiny and while playing DA which is extensive by itself unless as soon as you get home, you jump on FF and play until you sleep. So i can try and judge your time too, but guess what, i can't. I don't know what you do with your time, but its easy for me to sit back and say you lie if i'm basing your time off of what I believe time should be spent.

So in conclusion, not everyone has the same amount of free time and what you might consider free time is different to someone else. But obviously there is a problem with the relic system because there are more people complaining about it than defending it. And its probably why SE is gonna change how it works.

You are right. But then again you have to assign priorities to your life.. If your family is more important to you (which it should be, no discussion about it) you should know that you cannot achieve what others can in a time consuming game and live with it.. But then going to the forums and complain that you cannot achieve what others can with more spare time is acting like a spoiled brat yelling "BUT I WANT IT I WANT IT NOW!!! *pounds on the floor*..

Why do so many people in the MMO genre think they should be able to achieve everything in any given situation related to their real life?

For example how does the OP come to the conclusion that just because he pays for this game SE has to change something so he can get his relic for example? This is nonsense.. He pays to be able to play the game and log in, not to "win" in this game.. thats his own responsibility and not SE's...

For example if you buy a car it is not the car-vendors responsibility to get you a drivers licence.. If youre not good enough to pass the licence test, youre out of luck and its your own fault... You cannot simply walk up to him and yell " But.. but I PAYED for this car!"

[Balipu]

This is an MMO.. Make some friends and queue up with them then.
Why does everyone think this is a single player game with a chat?

And they expect raids and relic weapon questlines to be easy. How cute. But I'm sure they are bored to death after raising all classes and jobs to 50, filling the hunting, crafting ,gathering, fishing and sightseeing logs, getting to the end of the current main storyline and Hildibrand questline and raising reputation to. maximum with all beast tribes.

For me personally getting passed Relic Zenith or Twintania is just a dream and extreme mode primals are still on the to do list, but I am having a blast. Especially compared to other MMOs

[Parasite]

For me personally getting passed Relic Zenith or Twintania is just a dream and extreme mode primals are still on the to do list, but I am having a blast. Especially compared to other MMOs

Wonderful, thats how it should be. ^^

[Whimsicalalien]

Go play WOW, OP. They have LFR, it's easy, queue is fast and you can see all the raid content in the easy mode.

[QiLymePye]

Thats not the same thing. This is an MMO, but they made it so endgame content has to be done with others, but those "others" are not doing content, which you need to advance if you are new or didn't have as much time as others. Thats like you going for your drivers test, but they no longer are using cars, but some other vehicle, like flying car, that you cant drive until you get your license driving a regular car, which you can't because its outdated and you can't find anyone to give a test. See the problem? Its like they put a time limit on the game and made it super hard for people that just started to enjoy what many are enjoying now. New people aren't complaining so much about the grind more so than waiting longer than most older players had to wait to even attempt the grind. Waiting for almost an hour to do a duty that many who started 6months to a year ago only had to wait 5-10 min for is ridiculous.

[Hyunckel]

Wow this thread is still alive?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Wow this thread is still alive?

Rage quitting always gets attention, even if the person has long gone.