Done!

[Shioban]

Depends. Relic was indeed rewarding because of the challenge, but once the Atma stage started... it was a cesspool of broken dreams. If the final step for the Zodiac doesn't involve something new (a new challenging Relic/Zodiac Reborn fight), then it's going to feel about as rewarding as that time you got your Atma/Nexus. "Glad that waste of time is done with."

That's exactly what I want. And what most people expected to happen originally.

What's challenging about face-rolling Level 5 fates for 3 hours?

Challenge; (noun)

a task or situation that tests someone's abilities.
"the traverse of the ridge is a challenge for experienced climbers"
synonyms: problem, difficult task, test, trial; More

It's hasn't been challening at all so far.

Unless there's someone here who could somehow revise the definition for challenge by saying "Running Sastacha HM 32 times, Garuda 200 times and grinding Fates in Middle La Noscea REALLY TESTED MY SKILLS!"


If we had to defeat Twintania > Nael Deus Darnus > Bahamut then perhaps it would make sense, yes.

Or even some new form of content like you said with Chimera > Hydra and the introduction/incentive to the HM Primals that required some form of skill or skill improvement or even teamwork. The origianl relic quest FORCED players to learn. If you couldn't do Titan HM you were screwed. But people prevailed. And the sense of achievement for beating that fight was leaps and bounds above "Oh look I got my Novus...doing Garuda 200 times sure was exciting! I EARNED THIS!!"


Like you said fights would provide some form of challenge. Albeit an impossible way to do it seeing as they want it to be long/grindy, yet easy. It's kinda sad.

I don't see them adding; "Clear X Turn of Coil X times" anytime soon for it. And I generally hope they never do. Something unique would be nicer.