Done!

[Felis]

Because you looking at them alone, combine 2 or all 3 methodes and you get a nice system!
You cover the brickwall with timeconsuming and maybe the last backup with cashshop (as the easy part).

So long the cash shop weapon is ilevel 1 with no stats. So you only buy vanity weapon skin and no power.

But that's the point.
Everyone can get it.
There is no skill involved.

Patience is involved. Patience and willpower.
Both can be very challenging for some people.

[Phe]

So long the cash shop weapon is ilevel 1 with no stats. So you only buy vanity weapon skin and no power.


Patience is involved. Patience and willpower.

willpower? more boredom.

patience? certainly not.
because that would imply, people who don't do the relic quest are impatient.

they just don't have so much time.
people who have a lot, a LOT of time to spend,
and who are bored - they do it.

to kill time.

[Meshico]

willpower? more boredom.

patience? certainly not.
because that would imply, people who don't do the relic quest are impatient.

they just don't have so much time.
people who have a lot, a LOT of time to spend,
and who are bored - they do it.

to kill time.

You have the time, it's just you do not wish to allocate it to the relic quest line.

In the end "a lot" of time is spent regardless, it's just how you choose to condense/spread it.

I will go as far as saying, people who say "I don't have time!" I'll take that as "I don't have time...for that!"



-Tari

[hallena]

willpower? more boredom.

patience? certainly not.
because that would imply, people who don't do the relic quest are impatient.

they just don't have so much time.
people who have a lot, a LOT of time to spend,
and who are bored - they do it.

to kill time.

The only difference between a guy who play 24/7 and the guy who play 1 hour a day is how fast both will get their relic. If you play for a hour then log for the night your atma, book, light or materia will not magically dissapear. You don't need to play 10 hours straight to make progress. Going from novus to nexus is a 50-60hours playtime grind for everyone, Doesn't matter if it take you 3 days or 3 months.

[ZephyrK]

The only difference between a guy who play 24/7 and the guy who play 1 hour a day is how fast both will get their relic. If you play for a hour then log for the night your atma, book, light or materia will not magically dissapear. You don't need to play 10 hours straight to make progress. Going from novus to nexus is a 50-60hours playtime grind for everyone, Doesn't matter if it take you 3 days or 3 months.

I don't want to hop into the middle of some debate, but you cannot get your relic quest completed in 1 hour a night if you are playing certain classes. Many of those low level dungeons have an hour queue time just to enter, much less complete it.

[Parasite]

I don't want to hop into the middle of some debate, but you cannot get your relic quest completed in 1 hour a night if you are playing certain classes. Many of those low level dungeons have an hour queue time just to enter, much less complete it.

This is an MMO.. Make some friends and queue up with them then.
Why does everyone think this is a single player game with a chat?

[Edit:]

See, this is what alienates players. Congrats, you have time to play destiny, and DA:Inquisition, and get 8hrs a sleep a night...make me wonder what time you have for family, if you have one. See, your time is gonna be valued differently to you than to someone else. you can't just say, well i have time so you should to. Everyone has their own circumstances and things to do in life. when I read your post, first thing i thought was either you are lying, or you dont have responsibilities like family at home, or you shirk your responsibilities when at home, but either way, your time is different than someone elses.

And then I wonder, when did you get your relic, was it before Destiny and DA were released? Because I have both, I love DA. But there is no way on God's green earth that you would have been able to get your relic while playing destiny and while playing DA which is extensive by itself unless as soon as you get home, you jump on FF and play until you sleep. So i can try and judge your time too, but guess what, i can't. I don't know what you do with your time, but its easy for me to sit back and say you lie if i'm basing your time off of what I believe time should be spent.

So in conclusion, not everyone has the same amount of free time and what you might consider free time is different to someone else. But obviously there is a problem with the relic system because there are more people complaining about it than defending it. And its probably why SE is gonna change how it works.

You are right. But then again you have to assign priorities to your life.. If your family is more important to you (which it should be, no discussion about it) you should know that you cannot achieve what others can in a time consuming game and live with it.. But then going to the forums and complain that you cannot achieve what others can with more spare time is acting like a spoiled brat yelling "BUT I WANT IT I WANT IT NOW!!! *pounds on the floor*..

Why do so many people in the MMO genre think they should be able to achieve everything in any given situation related to their real life?

For example how does the OP come to the conclusion that just because he pays for this game SE has to change something so he can get his relic for example? This is nonsense.. He pays to be able to play the game and log in, not to "win" in this game.. thats his own responsibility and not SE's...

For example if you buy a car it is not the car-vendors responsibility to get you a drivers licence.. If youre not good enough to pass the licence test, youre out of luck and its your own fault... You cannot simply walk up to him and yell " But.. but I PAYED for this car!"

[Balipu]

This is an MMO.. Make some friends and queue up with them then.
Why does everyone think this is a single player game with a chat?

And they expect raids and relic weapon questlines to be easy. How cute. But I'm sure they are bored to death after raising all classes and jobs to 50, filling the hunting, crafting ,gathering, fishing and sightseeing logs, getting to the end of the current main storyline and Hildibrand questline and raising reputation to. maximum with all beast tribes.

For me personally getting passed Relic Zenith or Twintania is just a dream and extreme mode primals are still on the to do list, but I am having a blast. Especially compared to other MMOs

[Parasite]

For me personally getting passed Relic Zenith or Twintania is just a dream and extreme mode primals are still on the to do list, but I am having a blast. Especially compared to other MMOs

Wonderful, thats how it should be. ^^

[QiLymePye]

Thats not the same thing. This is an MMO, but they made it so endgame content has to be done with others, but those "others" are not doing content, which you need to advance if you are new or didn't have as much time as others. Thats like you going for your drivers test, but they no longer are using cars, but some other vehicle, like flying car, that you cant drive until you get your license driving a regular car, which you can't because its outdated and you can't find anyone to give a test. See the problem? Its like they put a time limit on the game and made it super hard for people that just started to enjoy what many are enjoying now. New people aren't complaining so much about the grind more so than waiting longer than most older players had to wait to even attempt the grind. Waiting for almost an hour to do a duty that many who started 6months to a year ago only had to wait 5-10 min for is ridiculous.

[Shioban]

willpower? more boredom.

patience? certainly not.
because that would imply, people who don't do the relic quest are impatient.

they just don't have so much time.
people who have a lot, a LOT of time to spend,
and who are bored - they do it.

to kill time.

^ This.

Between raid-lock outs, here's not much else on offer at the moment sadly.

So I decided to do a relic weapon to fill the gap.


Arguably there is a little bit of patience involved.
•The Original Atma Drop-Rate
•Waiting on FATE's for the books
•Grinding Soldiery for the books
•Grinding the Alexandrite through soldiery/hunts
•DPS Dungeon Queues
•Zodiac Dungeon "Atma" drop-rates
•Zodiac Grand Company Seals/Gil/Soldiery Grind

The entire quest line is a test of your consistency and general patience for an atrociously boring monotonous grind "How long can you go before your patience runs out and you cry "I AM SO BORED"."