Done!

[hallena]

Like a lot of people wanted to tell you, some people just don't have the time for that. If I only have 1-2 hours in the game, you'll have a higher chance that I'd do dailies and then spend the rest of my time either doing shiva or the second coil. Even if I'm saying people would have 1-2 hours ingame, doesn't mean they'll be able to play everyday. You should start looking at things from their point of view, and not just your own.

And what i'm saying is what you do with your time is your business. You choose to spend your free time doing shiva or second coil. if i spend all my money on a new computer i'm not going to complain i can't afford something else i'd like to have.
people have been asking for SE to make relic a challenge instead of a grind but 2.0 showed a lot of people obviously don't want a challenge because "they don't have the time" to learn several fights or find a group for it

As for my point of view.
I work
I have to take care of my grandfather because of his cancer
I have my cardio daily routine
i have a dog and 2 cats to take care off
bunch of other minor things like cleaning the place and such yet i still have my zodiac. don't act like zodiac weapons are avaiable only to jobless people who play 24/7. people stop because the grind is so long they don't see the end of it and are discouraged, not because of time limitation. There's a difference between not being able to do something and not wanting to do something.

[Yukiko]

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So, thats why you feel satisfied when getting something that much timeconsuming as a relict, how would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?
If you do it for yourself and you like the timesink, why does it matter if others can get it without the timesink?

Just a sidenote: As many times said in 2.0 relic (from many players before me) challenge is not same as "team rope jumping" *sigh*

[Phe]

How would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?

But that's the point.
Everyone can get it.
There is no skill involved.

Many people just don't want to waste so much time onto simple, monotonous, repeating activities.
And that's the only reason that not everybody has it.

Not because it's difficult or challenging in any way.
Relic = killing time. killing spare-time. killing life-time.
that's the only purpose of this quest.

[hallena]

How would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?

Thats the thing. Everyone can get it. not everyone want to get it. which make it the second rarest weapon on my server after T13

If you do it for yourself and you like the timesink, why does it matter if others can get it without the timesink?

I like the timesink not because i enjoy doing it but because its currently the only thing that make someone with a zodiac weapon stand out.

I'd rather it being a team effort/challenge but during 2.0 this forum was flooded with titan being too hard ;_; threads so they changed it to a grind. So now people complain about the grind. People will not stop crying until they mail you a zodiac as soon as you ding 50. At the very least now you can solo all the steps from zenith so people who "can't find a group!" isn't locked behind that anymore

[LunaHoshino]

How would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?

Because not everyone DOES get it. And that's fine. You want a weapon that shows off how much skill you have? Go get the weapons from T9, T13, or Shiva, or upgrade your Ironworks weapon. There are four options there if you want a "challenge."

The relic weapon doesn't require a static or hours of practice. It's an option for those people who either don't have the skill to get the others or just simply don't want to. You're crying over them making ONE WEAPON OPTION available to players who don't do Coil or the EX Primals (two, technically, if you count the normal Ironworks weapon). Four versus two. How much more entitled do you get?