Done!

[Aurora-Pendragon]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O

It's the stupidest game design ever, forcing people to do NOTHING for hours. You can't play or help your friends, nothing. How is it challenging exactly? Give me that damn fate so I can do real content. Even mindless grinding is better than this.

[hallena]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O

It's the stupidest game design ever, forcing people to do NOTHING for hours. You can't play or help your friends, nothing. How is it challenging exactly? Give me that damn fate so I can do real content. Even mindless grinding is better than this.

It's time consuming not challenging. If they made it challenging, OP would still complain because its hard. Making is a grind is the best way to do it to make it accessible because anyone can do. Now whenever you want to put time into it or not is not SE's problem
Regardless you can be social and ask a friend or people doing their thing in that zone to watch the fate for you while you do the kills/Leves

[CYoung187]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O

It's the stupidest game design ever, forcing people to do NOTHING for hours. You can't play or help your friends, nothing. How is it challenging exactly? Give me that damn fate so I can do real content. Even mindless grinding is better than this.

I don't think I see anybody saying any of that.

[Phe]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O

It's the stupidest game design ever, forcing people to do NOTHING for hours. You can't play or help your friends, nothing. How is it challenging exactly? Give me that damn fate so I can do real content. Even mindless grinding is better than this.

absolutely.

and i also don't see how repeating easy content umpteen times makes the easy content suddenly challenging.

it's just investment of spare-time. anyone who has a relic has achieved nothing special.
except invested very, very, very much time into easy, monotonous stuff.

"so you hit that red button 100 000 times and got a virtual reward for it? WHAT A CHALLENGE! YOU'RE SPECIAL!"

[Yukiko]

Sorry Phe:
Was trying to point out this, but i guess i was not as good as you...

"so you hit that red button 100 000 times and got a virtual reward for it? WHAT A CHALLENGE! YOU'RE SPECIAL!"

[hallena]

Sorry Phe:
Was trying to point out this, but i guess i was not as good as you...

Alright, you got my curiousity. What's the definition of a challenge to you? Since titan 2.0 supposedly wasn't one. I'm sure those who can't kill T5 will probably complain about it too
Keep in mind that when you come up with your challenge. Zodiac is lvl 125 with customisable stats which make it better than 130 ironwork to some class while ironwork is 120 and require minimum T11 down and only one person per week have access to it aswell as waiting 3 weeks worth of poetic caping.
But you also need to make your challenge accessible to everyone or else people will complain.

[NyarukoW]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O....

If you insist on stubbornly camping a FATE then the challenge is a test of your patience. But the challenge to solve this problem more effectively is to network with other players. Do you think hunts operate well when people camp zones for spawns or does it work better when people share information and track spawn times together and work together to spawn S rank. The challenge is to solve the FATE camping problem, and the solution is the same as how you do hunts. Communicate, coordinate, and play together, isn't this how a MMO should be?

And if you insist of solo-ing the FATE camping, get several sets of gear prepped for spirit bonding. Might was put that waiting time to good use, because you will need those mats for melding later, and while you are at queue one of those dungeons you need too. Only the foolish insists on singularly stubbornly waiting for the fate. The challenge is to find creative solutions to the problem, and that in itself is fun.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

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I'm playing PLD, so I have insta queue for dungeons. I can't "wait" during queue times. Now, my game is in french, and fates names are a lot different from english one. The chance a french player is doing the same fates as mine is very low. And when I'm 2/3 fates completed with everything else done, I'm forced to wait for the 3rd while all my friends are doing cool stuff. It's surely fun and entertaining ! Fortunatly, I'm 7/9 books, so I'm almost done with this. Without the fates, this relic step would have been the best of the 4.

I've played MMOs where end game items were hidden behind dumb time gates, but at least, they were on a predictable schedule, so you could still play while waiting. If you ever played Aion and did the Miragent quest line, you know what I mean and you know how stupid the RNG was at this time. But there was a reason, korean players were paying/ minute. Now, with a sub, there's no reason at all to time gate content this way.