Done!

[Zaft]

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Square Enix really couldn't win here. If they made it easy/fun to get (see: 2.0 launch), people complain that relics have no value because "everyone has one" (see 2.0 threads). If they made it difficult to get (ie: require cutting edge content to acquire), people would complain that it's unfair because they'll never be able to get it (see: people complaining about coil armor every patch, and the OP). If they make it time-consuming to get, people complain that it's boring and tedious (see: what people are doing right now).

So what is the correct choice? Well, there isn't one. No matter what you choose, you won't please everybody. I feel Square Enix did the best they could in this situation; they gave us multiple choices. We have the easy but rather time-consuming option: the relic weapon chain. And we have the much more difficult but arguably less time-consuming option (unless RNG hates you, as it seems to hate me): the BCoB weapon.

[Yukiko]

So what is the correct choice? Well, there isn't one.

Because you looking at them alone, combine 2 or all 3 methodes and you get a nice system!
You cover the brickwall with timeconsuming and maybe the last backup with cashshop (as the easy part).

[hallena]

maybe the last backup with cashshop (as the easy part).

Please no. Anything that save time from cash shop remove any form of satisfaction.
You can grind for hours to get this!
Or pay 19.99 and get it instantly!

You want a relic? put time into it. You don't have time? play 30min-1hour a day and get it over the course of a few weeks/month.

[Yukiko]

Please no. Anything that save time from cash shop remove any form of satisfaction.
You can grind for hours to get this!
Or pay 19.99 and get it instantly!

You want a relic? put time into it. You don't have time? play 30min-1hour a day and get it over the course of a few weeks/month.

First: i said "maybe" - thats depending on the items and how you get it (example: crating mats) - furthermore there are a lot possibilities to add it, no one said you can insta buy zodiac and skip all steps o_O
Secund: how many items we have? if you need to buy 10 weapons for 100$ or 1000$ do you really think players will do that? I used extremly high numbers to point to the next thing, no one said anything about cheap prices, but that also depends a lot of things as on "first"
Third: Satisfication is your own, you must not buy it from cash shop and miss your "feeling", you must not even do the timesink, thats all just to backup the ones who cant pass the brickwall content.

Well... in the last sentence you show your true motivations,
you feel entitled because you have something others dont... (Edit: In your example its "time") hell, YOU are playing the wrong game and need a game with highscores! i suggest a FPS with kill/death counters!

[hallena]

if you need to buy 10 weapons for 100$ or 1000$ do you really think players will do that?

Without a doubt. I know people in Guild wars 2 who spent hundreds in the gem store to buy legendaries.

you feel entitled because you have something others dont... (Edit: In your example its "time")

You what? The game has been out for more than a year now. If you don't have at the very least nexus, Your problem isn't lack of time but lack of motivation. If you played for 10minute everyday since 2.38 came out, you would still have your nexus by now. Zodiac maybe not

Most people who will tell you "i dont have the time to do this!!" do have the time. they just prefer using that time watching videos or playing other games.

[Dragoon4life]

Honestly the RNG part SUX. Took a week to get first ATMA no joke. FATE spawning blows "Taken" "Tower of Power" etc, etc. Novus not too bad but SE slowed SBonding in Dungeons not sure why, and light farming is slow and lame.

I get what your sayin but it looks like you might be burning your self out.

BTW if your leavin
Can I has your Sleipnir he so peerdy

[Xystic]

Honestly the RNG part SUX.

You should be thankful. When MMOs first appeared, drop rates were around 0.01% for cool items about two decades ago. These days, 1-5% is considered hardcore...lol.

SE slowed SBonding in Dungeons not sure why

We had to carry individuals who came in several pieces of SB'ing gear. It's not very fun when people SB at the expense of your time. Your trying to get thru the dungeon quickly when someone else is making you work extra hard so he/she can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

SB has been changed so you can't force others to SB for you, you have to do it on your own time or with others who are looking to SB.

[BreathlessTao]

Most people who will tell you "i dont have the time to do this!!" do have the time. they just prefer using that time watching videos or playing other games.

Perhaps watching guide videos they're forced to watch, to get better, because actually just going in anywhere and learning by experience is no option these days? Because YT and guides have been there forever, like even 20 years ago everyone played by guides, which also just happen to appear out of nothing, without people actually going in and learning the fights by experience... If it's not a crime for "pros" to want to spend their time with something else than "babying" newbies (apparent reason for forcing others to watch guides), it shouldn't be a crime for those who have 3 free hours a day to also want to squeeze in watching a TV show or two into that, either.

[hallena]

it shouldn't be a crime for those who have 3 free hours a day to also want to squeeze in watching a TV show or two into that, either.

That's not my or SE's problem. If you want to spend that 3 hours watching TV then feel free to do it. but don't complain about not having the time to do something else. You're the one managing your time

[NoahArks]

If you played for 10minute everyday since 2.38 came out, you would still have your nexus by now

I can say with full confidence that this is complete bull shit.

1) Normal relic, amdapor keep takes longer than 10minutes.
2) Atma, even after the nerf, you won't get a atma every 2-3 fates.
3) As if someone can magically go online the moment the fate they need pop up for animus, and oh yeah, dungeons take longer than 10 minutes! Also soldiery farming.
4) Alex maps take some time, you need the money to buy materia OR the time to SB. Still takes 2.5 months if you're lucky to get novus.
5) Nexus needs what, 1500-2000 lights? A run gives like 4, and any garu/ramuh/ifrit/shiva takes 1-2 minutes. Will take you atleast 3months for nexus

In the end I've looked at it from your selfish point of few with the fastest PC components around and using the fastest SSD. Oh, and massive server hacks to make everything go the way you want.