Done!

[CYoung187]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O

It's the stupidest game design ever, forcing people to do NOTHING for hours. You can't play or help your friends, nothing. How is it challenging exactly? Give me that damn fate so I can do real content. Even mindless grinding is better than this.

I don't think I see anybody saying any of that.

[NoahArks]

I was talking about going from novus to nexus. If you didnt have novus by the time nexus came out then idk what else to tell you because you had plenty of time to do it.

Like a lot of people wanted to tell you, some people just don't have the time for that. If I only have 1-2 hours in the game, you'll have a higher chance that I'd do dailies and then spend the rest of my time either doing shiva or the second coil. Even if I'm saying people would have 1-2 hours ingame, doesn't mean they'll be able to play everyday. You should start looking at things from their point of view, and not just your own.

[Phe]

The amount of people in this thread believing that waiting 2 hours for a fate to spawn = challenge O.O

It's the stupidest game design ever, forcing people to do NOTHING for hours. You can't play or help your friends, nothing. How is it challenging exactly? Give me that damn fate so I can do real content. Even mindless grinding is better than this.

absolutely.

and i also don't see how repeating easy content umpteen times makes the easy content suddenly challenging.

it's just investment of spare-time. anyone who has a relic has achieved nothing special.
except invested very, very, very much time into easy, monotonous stuff.

"so you hit that red button 100 000 times and got a virtual reward for it? WHAT A CHALLENGE! YOU'RE SPECIAL!"

[hallena]

Like a lot of people wanted to tell you, some people just don't have the time for that. If I only have 1-2 hours in the game, you'll have a higher chance that I'd do dailies and then spend the rest of my time either doing shiva or the second coil. Even if I'm saying people would have 1-2 hours ingame, doesn't mean they'll be able to play everyday. You should start looking at things from their point of view, and not just your own.

And what i'm saying is what you do with your time is your business. You choose to spend your free time doing shiva or second coil. if i spend all my money on a new computer i'm not going to complain i can't afford something else i'd like to have.
people have been asking for SE to make relic a challenge instead of a grind but 2.0 showed a lot of people obviously don't want a challenge because "they don't have the time" to learn several fights or find a group for it

As for my point of view.
I work
I have to take care of my grandfather because of his cancer
I have my cardio daily routine
i have a dog and 2 cats to take care off
bunch of other minor things like cleaning the place and such yet i still have my zodiac. don't act like zodiac weapons are avaiable only to jobless people who play 24/7. people stop because the grind is so long they don't see the end of it and are discouraged, not because of time limitation. There's a difference between not being able to do something and not wanting to do something.

[Yukiko]

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So, thats why you feel satisfied when getting something that much timeconsuming as a relict, how would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?
If you do it for yourself and you like the timesink, why does it matter if others can get it without the timesink?

Just a sidenote: As many times said in 2.0 relic (from many players before me) challenge is not same as "team rope jumping" *sigh*

[Phe]

How would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?

But that's the point.
Everyone can get it.
There is no skill involved.

Many people just don't want to waste so much time onto simple, monotonous, repeating activities.
And that's the only reason that not everybody has it.

Not because it's difficult or challenging in any way.
Relic = killing time. killing spare-time. killing life-time.
that's the only purpose of this quest.

[hallena]

How would it be a trophy then if everyone can get it?

Thats the thing. Everyone can get it. not everyone want to get it. which make it the second rarest weapon on my server after T13

If you do it for yourself and you like the timesink, why does it matter if others can get it without the timesink?

I like the timesink not because i enjoy doing it but because its currently the only thing that make someone with a zodiac weapon stand out.

I'd rather it being a team effort/challenge but during 2.0 this forum was flooded with titan being too hard ;_; threads so they changed it to a grind. So now people complain about the grind. People will not stop crying until they mail you a zodiac as soon as you ding 50. At the very least now you can solo all the steps from zenith so people who "can't find a group!" isn't locked behind that anymore

[Yukiko]

Sorry Phe:
Was trying to point out this, but i guess i was not as good as you...

"so you hit that red button 100 000 times and got a virtual reward for it? WHAT A CHALLENGE! YOU'RE SPECIAL!"

[hallena]

Sorry Phe:
Was trying to point out this, but i guess i was not as good as you...

Alright, you got my curiousity. What's the definition of a challenge to you? Since titan 2.0 supposedly wasn't one. I'm sure those who can't kill T5 will probably complain about it too
Keep in mind that when you come up with your challenge. Zodiac is lvl 125 with customisable stats which make it better than 130 ironwork to some class while ironwork is 120 and require minimum T11 down and only one person per week have access to it aswell as waiting 3 weeks worth of poetic caping.
But you also need to make your challenge accessible to everyone or else people will complain.

[Parasite]

Feel Free to get those pretty ilvl 120+ weapons thrown after you in 2.5 part I Crystal Tower and ilvl 130 in 2.5 part II.

Oh and to OP: Bye.