Done!

[Viridiana]

. . .crafting items that take a million mats to do. . .

Huh? I would understand if it were 2010, but you posted this in 2014.

/confused

[lvlagmarink]

On the bright side, with this subscription system, it filters away those people who aren't worth playing it. I mean, look at people who play FREE TO PLAY games. Most are ill-mannered, imagine Dota 2(SEA server). FFXIV has a friendly community than any other games I played with.

Happy gaming pal!

Wow.. I never even find any gaming community to be friendly, especially toward end game content.. This is just wow...

[Violyre]

Have you guys noticed when there's an overly dramatic post, you look at the poster's portrait and it's almost always a Lalafell? What's up with that?

Big things come in little packages, in this case, the big thing is a mouth.

On the bright side, with this subscription system, it filters away those people who aren't worth playing it. I mean, look at people who play FREE TO PLAY games. Most are ill-mannered, imagine Dota 2(SEA server). FFXIV has a friendly community than any other games I played with.

I'm sorry, "people who aren't worth playing it?" That's the same thing that elitists say about casuals. And it's not a good line of thought.

Besides, this game does have a very fair share of people that are just as ill-mannered. Do you know how many times I've been told that I should know how to clear stuff less than 24 hours after release? I'm actually too scared to run new content for the first time unless I have a tank or healer friend with me to somewhat hold a party back if they feel like attacking me because I didn't know that I had to do something special. Many people feel they don't have the time to waste for new people, which is one of the reasons I did level a tank because I'm going to take time to explain things to new people! If you want to fight the boss because you don't want to waste time, go ahead little DPS or heals, I'll sit behind the gate!

On topic though, I understand the tedium. I did my first atmas pre-nerf. I have very little tolerance for tedium or waiting around though, so I set a limit of 2-3 hours each day when I can afford the time. That way I can still feel that I make progress with something else. During my FATE camping for animus, I either crafted or played some game on my 3DS, or went around the intertubes watching videos or something. Never concentrate on one thing, it'll drive you crazy. This is coming from someone that spent three months obsessing over learning ToDs and making friends with endgamers in an attempt to get the black belt in FFXI, and I had to spend time earning money when I had to bargain for items. Just drove me mad.

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

[kyuven]

The "million mats" thing sticks out to me.
No single item in the game requires more than 8 individual items (2 crystals+6 materials) to make.
Compare to other MMOs where it wasn't unusual for some items to require 12 or more items to make, some of which were subcombines on their own...we're spoiled.
Seriously, and I mean this with kindness, if you can't handle the tedious aspects of FFXIV, you are not going to be able to handle other MMOs. There's a reason FFXIV is called, both derisively and not, a "theme park" or "gateway" MMO.
This is the way the entire genre is built because, unlike single player games where the goal is just to get you to buy it, an MMO has to keep you playing. Introducing new, fresh, interesting content is always what everyone involved really wants, but it takes time to create and polish. And the game still has to produce money in that time.
Thus, the necessity of a grind and gated content. Again this isn't some sort of silly design decision by a single company, it's a lifeblood backbone of the theme park MMO subgenre (MMORPGs are broken into "Sandbox," such as SWG, Arche Age, and EVE; and "Theme Park" which is FFXIV, FFXI, EQ1+2, and WoW)
If you don't like it, then the genre is not for you.

[VoltaAsura]

OP if you think the books are bad, seriously abandon the questline now.

I'm not even joking. The books and their requirements are horrid, yes. But it gets worse and worse with each step. Do yourself a favor and quit before you spend anymore time on the relic quest.

[kyuven]

OP if you think the books are bad, seriously abandon the questline now.

I'm not even joking. The books and their requirements are horrid, yes. But it gets worse and worse with each step. Do yourself a favor and quit before you spend anymore time on the relic quest.

the light portion isn't technically that bad. Almost anything you could do progresses it, it just takes a long time.
Unless you want to farm it of course.

[VoltaAsura]

But he's complaining about wasting 2 hours of his time waiting on a fate....

I hated light farming personally. It was the worst part about the relic questline so far imo, and I did it while light parties were still a thing. I couldn't imagine starting it now and not having a shit ton of other people to spam primals over and over for hours with. DF would just take forever.

[Piratina]

Why are so many people so entitled to "see" the content "they" are paying for, i always though games where there to challange you or somthing you want to spend time on?

There is alot of things in life that is hard to allocate time to. I just wonder can this be applied to rest of life too? can i go to a school pay the fee and get entitled to top grades cus i payed the fee? or maybe i should buy tickets to some movie at the cinema and demand they come home to my house and show the movie to me becuse i dont have time to go there to see it there?

Me and many others will not finnish every single thing in the game and i bet most of us are fine with it cus we pay for it and its there if we feel we wanna try to do it. And yes i know my english is bad, apparantly english was not somthing i was entitled to either, maybe i forgot to pay some fee somwhere.

[kyuven]

Why are so many people so entitled to "see" the content "they" are paying for, i always though games where there to challange you or somthing you want to spend time on?

There is alot of things in life that is hard to allocate time to. I just wonder can this be applied to rest of life too? can i go to a school pay the fee and get entitled to top grades cus i payed the fee? or maybe i should buy tickets to some movie at the cinema and demand they come home to my house and show the movie to me becuse i dont have time to go there to see it there?

Me and many others will not finnish every single thing in the game and i bet most of us are fine with it cus we pay for it and its there if we feel we wanna try to do it. And yes i know my english is bad, apparantly english was not somthing i was entitled to either, maybe i forgot to pay some fee somwhere.

I cannot like this enough.