Done!

[Sylve]

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Having raided in WoW recently (played since vanilla, game is super meh right now), I much prefer the way Raids are handled here in XIV.

Somehow, they manage to feel both more relaxed AND more challenging at the same time. Getting my Twintania win (I haven't started T6 yet) so far has been the single greatest feeling I've had in an MMO Raid for a very long time. It just feels like an achievement.
Same with the Primals, Because we do not need to waste 2/3rds of our time in the raid clearing trash and running back after wipes, it just feels good when you finally get the win.

Thats my take on it. I'd rather we didnt have Echo, though i understand why they did it.
The Raiding here is damnably accessible. Again, moreso than any other MMO I've played in recent years.

[Shioban]

Nothing forces you to play the game.

Nothing forces you to get a relic weapon.

Nothing forces you to do any content at all in the game.


The entire game is NOT going to wrap around YOUR work schedule. Ever.
If you simply don't have the time to play an MMO and would rather invest your time elsewhere, then there's absolutely no need to tell us.

II am casual but I also want to see all the content I am paying 18+ dollars a month for.

MMO Raiding/Dungeons/Weapons/Gear are notoriously grindy to obtain, if you were expecting to be spoon-fed all the content in the game then your expectations were set far too high.
ARR already spoon feeds and hand-holds a vast majority of the game, it couldn't really get any easier at this point.

The Final Coil of Bahamut isn't a proper raid without the time investment, the learning, the wiping and obtaining new gear.

A Relic Weapon (based on XI) isnt a relic weapon without the monotonous grind.

Top Tier Crafting isn't top-tier without spending the time/effort/money.



At the end of the day. You're playing a game.

By definition, something that is supposed to be challenging. If it doesn't present a challenge it isn't really a game now is it?

[AzakaTonnerre]

Nothing forces you to play the game.

Nothing forces you to get a relic weapon.

Nothing forces you to do any content at all in the game.


The entire game is NOT going to wrap around YOUR work schedule. Ever.
If you simply don't have the time to play an MMO and would rather invest your time elsewhere there's absolutely no need to tell us.

And nothing forces you to post in his thread. Love how your image calls him out for posting his opinion as if it is ego driven when in essence yours is no more or less important than his (and this is coming from someone who doesn't agree with him). You feel its your job to tell him he has no need to tell us... irony at its finest...



Next time you feel the need to be a smart ass while informing someone that their opinion is worthless, make sure yours isn't as well.

[Eye_Gore]

This is backwards

[Alistaire]

This is backwards

His whole post is backwards, you expected him to get that part right?

[Shioban]

And nothing forces you to post in his thread. Love how your image calls him out for posting his opinion as if it is ego driven when in essence yours is no more or less important than his (and this is coming from someone who doesn't agree with him). You feel its your job to tell him he has no need to tell us... irony at its finest...



Next time you feel the need to be a smart ass while informing someone that their opinion is worthless, make sure yours isn't as well.

Except that everything I posted was a fact, not an opinion.

Nothing forces him to play the game.

The Ego picture was posted based on the fact that he felt that he deserves to access/win all content in the game simply because he has a stricter amount of play-time.

If he expects to clear all the content an MMO has to offer with 1/2 hours to spare, he's deluded.



The vast majority of players loathe these posts the "IM LEAVING GUYS...IM REALLY GONNA DO!", hence my "You really don't need to tell us".

There comes a point when the game stops being fun and instead is just frustrating.

Without a doubt.

Being stuck on;

Titan HM
Turn 2
Turn 5
Turn 7
Turn 9
Turn 12
And now T13

Ontop of grinding;

Atmas
Dungeons
Soldiery
Alexandrtie
Low % Materia Infusions
Low % T4 Spiritbond Results

However all these things gave me something to do, so I never truly complained. I wanted something to do and I most certainly got it.

HORRIBLY frustrating. But that's what made FFXI so much fun as well. Once you finally got what you were working towards it felt AMAZING. You'd finally achieved what you wanted from your time/money/patience investment.

[Lori]

And nothing forces you to post in his thread. Love how your image calls him out for posting his opinion as if it is ego driven when in essence yours is no more or less important than his (and this is coming from someone who doesn't agree with him). You feel its your job to tell him he has no need to tell us... irony at its finest...



Next time you feel the need to be a smart ass while informing someone that their opinion is worthless, make sure yours isn't as well.

Wow you're extremely ignorant

[InfestedOne]

By definition, something that is supposed to be challenging. If it doesn't present a challenge it isn't really a game now is it?

Game
n. noun

An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime.

[Nestama]

Game
n. noun

An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime.

And that does not describe the entirety of the Zodiac quest at all... pastime maybe, but definitely not the two important words.

[Dragoon4life]

I feel like there is going to be an enormous amount of players that will only have Zenith or Atma at best. The Massive amount of time it takes just to get a brand new Atma to just Nexus is overwhelming. I really hope SE make the Relic relevant in the next few patches. I see more Soldiery and Shiva EX weapons now more then ever and this trend will probably continue with Alexander.