Relic quest streamlined

[Sessurea]

Yeah relic wont continue into the expansion. It wouldn't fit with not need content pre expansion to make use of content post expansion thinking that se seem to be going for.

Also I think se did say the relic would come to an end one day and right before expansion seems like a neat time to wrap it up.

I also have a 125 zodiac, am I sad that others can start a new relic and not need the old one? Nope.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

But the question people are asking is what reason does Square have to make zodiac weapons obsolete? Why pimp out the whole OMG LENGEDARY WEAPONS THAT GET MOAR POWERFUL! and then go LOL IN THE GARBAGE IT GOES CAUSE IT WON'T CARRY OVER!

If Square does do that, then people are going to ignore relic 3.0 weapons because now experience has taught them that it won't have any relevance come next expansion. The best solution that is going to happen is old relic weapons are going to be a ton easier to build up so people can quickly catch up. Square loves nerfing old content for that reason and I don't see them stopping now.

[Teslo]

If Square does do that, then people are going to ignore relic 3.0 weapons because now experience has taught them that it won't have any relevance come next expansion. The best solution that is going to happen is old relic weapons are going to be a ton easier to build up so people can quickly catch up. Square loves nerfing old content for that reason and I don't see them stopping now.

Some people will complain that the quests got nerfed.
Some people will complain that the quests didn't get nerfed.
Some people will complain that the relic carries over.
Some people will complain that the relic doesn't carry over.
Some people will complain just to complain.
Some people will still do the relic quests knowing full well it'll only take them to the end of the expansion. Then they'll do the next set. And the next. Etc...
And some people will complain that SE is forcing them to do this every damned expansion.

No matter what happens people are going to complain about it, because that's how people are. My personal preference would be that they continue the relic advancements post-expansion with the current relic weapons and streamline earlier stages so that newer players can catch up faster, as they've done with Atma. As each new stage becomes available, an old stage gets nerfed to speed up the process. I think books are fine where they are, but a price reduction would be very welcome. Instead of... what are they now, 500 Soldiery? They could be 50 each. You still have to DO the stuff in them! Alexandrite, similarly will see a reduction in price, and encounters will start giving more and more light (2 for Feeble, 4 for Gentle, etc...). I'm okay with this, and I'm almost done with Nexus. I don't mind doing the hard (Well, tedious. Nothing about the relic weapon has been hard. I'd MUCH rather see more specific content related to the relics like Chimera and Hydra) content for one weapon, but eventually I want to do all the weapons, and I don't see why I or anyone else should have to sit through all that more than once.

People complain about the tedium or "high gil cost" of relics in XIV... I'm still braced for the eventual soul crushingly long/impossible grind like XI's relics. Eventually we're going to get a step that's like "We need to melt down 10,000 Allagaan unobtainium pieces" which drop 1~2 per weekly endgame raid and all 24 people can lot need on them.

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[Sessurea]

If Square does do that, then people are going to ignore relic 3.0 weapons because now experience has taught them that it won't have any relevance come next expansion

These aren't some godly bis ultra rare thing, they are the 2nd rate weaps. And if se start a new weapon, it will be identical in terms of relevance compared with current relic. I really can't understand your logic....you got your relic so you can use it NOW....you didn't get it just to unlock the next relic quest, surely.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I never said they were godly. And they didn't seem to be 2nd rate weapons back when, for a short time, they were on par with the second coil's weapons, back when people cried that relics didn't deserve to be the best. With 2.5 coming soon and its cousin patches after, both which contain more steps for the zodiac weapons, I don't think they are going to be going into the trash come 3.0

[Thistledown]

While I never touched on the relic series and never will (have enough to occupy myself really) I think streamlining the process would be required in the future expansions.

Faster FATE respawn for animus, cheaper Alex for Novus, and more light per instance for Nexus.

Animus would still be gated by other constraints, Novus still need all the materia, and Nexus you just need less time for the same process.

That would be a nice compromise for continuing on through the expansion and still making it achievable by new people.

[Deathscythe343]

That'd piss off a whooooooole lot of people, I've got a Zodiac NIN and a Nexus DRG which was hell, if they simplify it like half the amount of Atma required, cut the amount of Animus Books required to 4-5 and reduce the amount of Light required for Nexus to say 1000 then I'd be furious.

Personally I think the 3.0 Relic/Zodiac Questline should require a completed Zodiac from 2.0 to continue it, or perhaps if anyone hasn't completed it and has bought the expansion then have a seperate Questline for a less powerful equivilent.

This seems unlikely to happen, so I would prepare to be furious. This is because it people whom start the game with the expansion would have to do these things with with overwhelming majority of the population not doing this content anymore. Completing the fates and dungeons would take forever.

More than likely the current relic will achieve its final form prior to the expansion. A new relic quest will begin with the expansion so that all players can be on the same footing.

If they do make the previous relic required to start the 3.0 relic they will likely create a series of, rather simple, quests that will serve as the upgrades themselves so that players, both new and old, can then start the new relic quest line.

[Skyl1n3]

If they do make the previous relic required to start the 3.0 relic they will likely create a series of, rather simple, quests that will serve as the upgrades themselves so that players, both new and old, can then start the new relic quest line.

But then that should be the reward for those who put the time and effort into the current Zodiac questline, maybe don't make it so it's an integral part of 3.0 but more likely an optional questline where-in if you happen to have a finished Zodiac weapon from 2.0 then good news we'll be continuing/supporting the expansion of the Legendary weapons in 3.0 which will take them onto a whole new level surpassing even the Zodiac Braves status of weaponry.

I don't disagree on making it more streamline like reducing the Animus book cost, slightly increasing the Atma drop rate even further, making Alexandrite a bit cheaper say 100 Allied Seals per unit or 250 Soldiery per Alex map and also increasing the certain infamous FATE's from once every 3-4 hours to every 30 mins, then I'd have no problem.

Has anything official been stated about a Relic/Legendary weapon questline in 3.0 out of curiosity, I'd like to get an official statement on it so I can either be appeased or pissed off prior to 3.0's launch :P

[Deathscythe343]

Has anything official been stated about a Relic/Legendary weapon questline in 3.0 out of curiosity, I'd like to get an official statement on it so I can either be appeased or pissed off prior to 3.0's launch :P

No statement as of yet.

[MrLeonheart]

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