I never said they were godly. And they didn't seem to be 2nd rate weapons back when, for a short time, they were on par with the second coil's weapons, back when people cried that relics didn't deserve to be the best. With 2.5 coming soon and its cousin patches after, both which contain more steps for the zodiac weapons, I don't think they are going to be going into the trash come 3.0