Looking for an official response - Relic weapons

[Chihaya]

Well the original intent of relic weapon is to let people that doesn't raid to be able to get a weapon that is comparable to raid weapon.

The grind is real but for alexandrites, you have several ways to obtain it - a daily quest that gives a map - it can drop from FATEs - purchased using allied seals or getting map with soldiery.

For those that can play everyday, just doing the daily expert roulette quest would take 75 days - you can shorten that by spending soldiery or FATE grinds.

For those that cannot play everyday - perhaps just get the ilvl110 soldiery weapon for the time being or ilvl115 shiva weapon. They are good enough for even end game content.

[Meier]

Well the original intent of relic weapon is to let people that doesn't raid to be able to get a weapon that is comparable to raid weapon.

This just simply is not true. In 1.0, when relics were released in 1.22b/c their intent was to be THE BEST in the game. You had to do Garuda speed run, AV and CC speed runs, hamlet defense, and Ifrit Extreme.

The original intent of relics was to be the -best- hands down. As someone who got a relic in 1.0 and worked my bum off for it..only to see it reduced to what it is now in game...well...:/

I find it very disappointing how they changed that without a player poll or asking. 0 interest in coil since gear goes obsolete so quickly, etc.

[Yimiko]

By relevant, I mean "frequently run." Relics don't keep content in that status beyond initial bumps. It may be /more/ frequent than without a particular step later on, but it won't be objectively frequent. When you are the one who needs something, the relic having included that step won't help you all that much going forward.
In addition, if the relic is meant to be the "best" weapon, this content no longer makes sense within the original design of ffxiv. Armory chest, multiclassing, crossclass skills, the game was designed so that you could and should change classes freely, not get stuck in a single role. Relics throw all of that out the window. You have to grind as the one class you want to finish your relic on for months, and if you wanted all classes powered up with this...There are just so many ways this content could quickly and easily be brought in line with the original concept of the game. Made more for fun and less as a torture test. I see no sense in it remaining as it is.

[NationOfZealots]

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YES! The "original" concept, I do remember somewhat well and as Meier mentioned before you, it was originally touted by SE to be something that had invested value to be (depending on patch) an incredible weapon, yes it took a long time/lot of dedication, but the RANDOM that has been thrown over this to make it a total waste of time means VERY FEW people actually get very far with it at all and since about 2.2/2.3 Relic has sadly been dying a very unnecessary death.

EG WHM is Animus, MNK is Atma (both i100) & the rest are Zenith (i90), these weapons are simply just not appropriate for any end-game content post-2.3, but I can't progress at the rate I play trying to get there because of this fucked up RANDOM BS.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I believe the RNG is abused so heavily because back in 2.0, you had people getting their relics and zenith relics quicker than the devs anticipated.

[NationOfZealots]

RNG is abused so heavily

Brutally abused! So glad I can accomodate SE developer's "anticipation" and bank accounts, I really wish they would do what they did in 1.0 and LISTEN to the players about this detrimental system and understand "my anticipation" of how I want to play, I do not wish to be taunted for something I pay for.

When was the last time we had a player poll? Why is the player base not being consulted on their time in 2.0 as a calibration for 3.0? How is Square Enix sure 3.0 won't turn out like 1.0.1? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO RELICS!?????

[Maero]

I think someone had posted on another thread and i agree, Relic is just a personal trophy pretty much.
Alternative weapons can be used to take you to final coil to get Dreadwyrm, and 3.0 will have new weapons again as well

[FranSeara]

I think someone had posted on another thread and i agree, Relic is just a personal trophy pretty much.
Alternative weapons can be used to take you to final coil to get Dreadwyrm, and 3.0 will have new weapons again as well

Nope, sorry I disagree. For some players Relic weapons are the only choice. It might be a "Personal Trophy" to you but its "My" main weapon.

[Velox]

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Dreadwyrm weapons are subject to the same RNG as any other coil drops. Therein lies the fallacy of your argument.

The whole point of the relic weapon (now zodiac weapon) is to offer an always-guaranteed (well given the RNG-heavy Atma/Zodiac phase even this isn't true anymore) alternative.Why do we need alternatives? Because you could run FCoB 12,459 times and NEVER see your weapon drop. That's the nature of RNG, there is never any guarantee. That's the point of the Relic/Zodiac. It's a, "hey, looks like coil RNG is screwing you over, at least you've got something from all your hard work that will still be viable in 9 months (assuming you put the time in to upgrade it)" weapon. It's no more a trophy than any other weapon in the game. It's simply an alternative.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

For me, the relic weapon is more relic than weapon now. Sits in my retainer's inventory as an effigy to something I once worked hard for, but lost all value in.