The whole the fish gets away thing...

[Zorlinta]

So far for me the worst is Rivet Oyster wich had goes away 12 times and yet still to get caught (also had run away with 3 of my lures), matriarch just escaped from me 4 times and get it. Cornelia havent bite for me yet on the buff window, also terpsi havent bite (just had found the time window once), havent see the other 2 yet.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

3 fish left for my rod:

Bombardfish has never hooked over roughly 2000 bait, over god knows how many windows.
Rest are fish that spawn rarely, and Kuno never hooks either.

RNG is a pain sometimes.

[LineageRazor]

I've come to the conclusion that Gathering skill has no effect whatsoever on how "slippery" a fish is. I've come to believe that Gathering Skill determines one and only one thing: whether you have a zero percent chance of reeling it in, or whether you have a non-zero percent chance.

Once you have the capability of catching a fish the odds of the fish slipping the line are a seperate statistic, and one that the fisher has NO way to improve. They simply have to deal with it, and wait for that 5% chance or whatever to finally turn up. Some fish, like Slime King, have an especially high slip-the-line chance.

I think that, as a general rule, fish with generous catch windows tend to have a higher slip-the-line chance, but that (along with this entire post, really) is just speculation on my part. I kind of wish that FFXIV angler had a catch-rate value, where users could enter how many times a fish got away before they actually made the catch - it'd help us narrow down what the actual percentage catch rate is for these fish once hooked, and whether they vary from fish to fish.

[Shadygrove]

I've come to the conclusion that Gathering skill has no effect whatsoever on how "slippery" a fish is. I've come to believe that Gathering Skill determines one and only one thing: whether you have a zero percent chance of reeling it in, or whether you have a non-zero percent chance....

While leveling my fisher alt on sandfishing I would occasionally get a "fish gets away" message on a normal bite. Mind you I had no problem landing what ever the mooched fish was, and I think it was a L 50.

Leveled, maybe got better gear, may have made it and melded it, I forget, but never saw that message again till big fishing was introduced.

From that I believe that "slipperiness" is modifed by gathering

[Fynlar]

I've come to the conclusion that Gathering skill has no effect whatsoever on how "slippery" a fish is. I've come to believe that Gathering Skill determines one and only one thing: whether you have a zero percent chance of reeling it in, or whether you have a non-zero percent chance.

Speaking as someone that's 109/112, I'm inclined to agree with this. It might be something like what crafters face now with regard to 4-star synths and Ingenuity II, where the recipe is so far above our level 50 that the ability actually has far less effect on progress than it did for 1- or 2- star synths. I'm not one of those such crafters, but it wouldn't surprise me if the 4-star stuff absolutely required Piece by Piece even to just NQ a synth.

I'm hoping both of these things are something that will be alleviated by level 60 (although I expect even harder stuff to take its place and work the same way...)

[Kumeno]

Trying to get Drowned Sniper for the last 2 hours . I have full gear and over meld of Pactmaker from endwalker .
The fish escaped me 7 times already .

[Fruity_Snacks]

It has since been long confirmed that most fish (especially Big and Legendary fish) have capped success rates, and that no fish regardless of quality or status has a 100% catch rate.

No fish has a 100% successful catch rate.

[Nenluen]

I would prefer it if there weren't just a RNG catch cap on Fish, if you manage to haver the right gear, be at the right spot, at the right time, with the right weather, jump through all the right hoops (intuition, mooch chain) and then manage to beat the final RNG of 'will this fish bite on what few attempts I have this window', there shouldn't also be another arbitrary roll of the dice that the player can do absolutely nothing about. Because some of these windows are quite small, quite far apart, or sometimes, both. (at the time of this writing the next window for the Duskfish in Stormblood is 28 Earth days away)

In my magical Christmas Land, for all fish that aren't part of the latest expansion:
All fish could get to 100% catch with enough gathering, and I mean ALL fish, not just Big Fish, because getting 'Fish Gets Away' on a Sky Faerie or Scorpionfly while trying to trigger intuition for the Sea Butterfly is like 'c'mon, really?'
Surface Slap would last on a single fish (like release) until you move from the spot, but this is because I have an unwanted affinity for Scholar Sculpins (Upper Thaliak River, for Armor Fish) and they will not stop taking my bait and there's only so much GP one can spend slapping them away (seriously, I have some sort of inverse luck with these things, my ratio of sculpin to crickets on my latest, and finally last attempt at the Armor Fish, was 11 to 5, and I slapped one sculpin away). This could be worded like "this lasts until you catch a fish near to your own level" like.. 81-90 for a level 90 character.
Fish Eyes would last longer, like 2-3 minutes, to allow for more than one mooch attempt (I did pull the Wootz Knifefish Zenith on a fish eyes pull, so, while sometimes one is all you need, it helps to have more chances to use it).

But I also recognize I am possessed of some truly bizarre luck, like having landed the Slime King (Lower Soot Creek, Central Thanalan) on my first ever cast at that fishing hole and then going and getting 'The Fish Get Away' 19 times in a row on some fish that I have blocked from my memory in La Noscea.

[Fruity_Snacks]

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Fishing in FFXIV tries to mimic real-life fishing. If I recall correctly from some interview - the guy in charge of the fishing 'team' (that does all the other gathering stuff) does actual fishing rather often in the Pacific. In real life, you can go out, find place with Coal, see the coal and... get Coal with relative ease. With fishing (in real life), you can see the fish in the water, have the right bait, be right there when it's hungry - and still not get the fish because it decides to run away when it nibbles the bait, or you scare it off, or you fail your hookset. That's what FFXIV fishing is replicating (to a degree). You shouldn't compare FSH to BTN/MIN because it's so far away from them. FSH is basically the BLU of the DoLs. It was the first limited job. On top of that all, each fish has a certain personality and behavior - part of which is determined by their get-away rate. You take that away, you really take away the personality of fishing.

Surface slap already does act like release, in a way. Surface Slap will ONLY be removed if you catch a fish. If you're going for Armor Fish - Hedgemole Cricket is only a ! bite, so if you get a !! bite -- just... don't reel it in (ie; don't press hook or powerful hookset). Not only does it save time, it preserves the Surface Slap and Prize Catch buff. So you don't have to re-slap a fish every time. This isn't super well conveyed in the game, but is extremely helpful!

(Also that La Noscea fish that got away 19 times was probably Faerie Queen, and it is known to be a "Common, but slippery" bite - meaning it bites often, but gets away with a higher rate. Some fish are the inverse. If you go through the Clown Tetra > Eryops > Priest of Yx'lokwa chain to mooch into Greater Serpent of Ronka, you have a really good chance that it won't get away.... but it's also a Legendary Fish, so it's still not 100%... and that's just the nature of Legendary fish).

[Nenluen]

I've already had two 'got away' on Priest of Yx'lokwa, after getting one of the four fish to mooch, to get one of the three fish to mooch for the priest... and it's a small but frequently repeated rare window, so I'll only have to wait an hour before being able to try again, which I have that luxury, now being a full time work from home person, my lil lala just sits and fishes on my laptop while I work, only needing me to reach over and hit a button when I hear the 'plink!' sound of a fish on the line, many other players don't have the time available to hit 12+ hours of fishing windows and some of the windows are still quite egregious (Duskfish is now 21 days away)

Surface slap does not work on mooched fish, and if the Big Fish you're looking for is from a mooch, it gets a bit rough on GP to utilize it, and if the big fish is on a mooch chain, it's only slightly helpful. If it persisted, some fish chains would get easier, but still not be a cakewalk, like the Great Serpent. Instead of 1/4 x 1/3, it becomes 1/3 x 1/2 by slapping away a Yellow Pipira or Robber Crab to get to the Priest eliminating them from both the initial cast and the mooch catch.

Some pools would get somewhat trivialized (look at Loch Seld in particular), but I'm talking about changing things from previous expansions and ARR.. this is all older content after all and I think it should get easier over time, because while realistic elements are nice and all, this is still a video game, and the purpose of a game is to have fun. Failing something just because of a random, uninfluenceable die roll, just isn't fun for me. I land a rare slippery fish (like Charibenet, which I landed two days ago) and it's not 'Yeah! I overcame a challenge! Woo hoo!' it's 'Whew, finally, I got it, now I thankfully never have to do that again.'


The La Noscean fish wasn't Faerie Queen, because I was working on it with Fish Eyes and I think there was no weather requirement, I was working on it for quite a while, an hour or two straight, maybe more.