We want cleric stance

[Stylelink]

The title says all, removing cleric stance from front lines as well as wolves den was a terrible idea. If the reason for that is "healers should only heal", then to be fair, tanks should only be able to tank, so pally's should not be able to switch out of shield oath as well as warriors should not be able to remove defiance. Then lets talk about the damage dealers. why would they have healing/shielding abilities, their role is to do damage. Remove all of those.

As i think all these ideas are terrible, if the decision is to keep the "cleric stance ban", then they would be fair. But just removing that ban would be easier, cheaper, and fair.

Another thing, as much as cleric stance is a great ability, using it right requires a lot of skill or it will be deadly to the user.

[Valmar]

8 Warriors without Defiance isnt as deadly as 8 whm's all fully gear'd in Pvp gear, in the same spot, Cleric Stance all spaming holy, with DS Medica 2 and regen with stoneskin and protect.

or 8 Sch's Dpsing their hearts out in Cleric Stance not worrying about healing since the pet takes care of that.

Thats why they banned Cleric Stance.

[Stylelink]

8 Warriors without Defiance isnt as deadly as 8 whm's all fully gear'd in Pvp gear, in the same spot, Cleric Stance all spaming holy,

I can easily see the warriors winning if none of the white mages heal, its called focus. play smart.

Cleric Stance all spaming holy, with DS Medica 2 and regen with stoneskin and protect.

may i remind you that: -medica 2 does not stack
-regen does not stack
-the time to place regen on every member is equal to the time that one regen will run out, please tell me how to cast a holy in 0 time

Add all that to the fact that people don't want to play healer, so getting 24 healers in an alliance, or even 8 healers in a team will be close to impossible, as getting 2 is already a hard task.

[ZhycranaDranix]

I think healers should be taken out of frontlines period....

It gives a more tactical approach and actually having to strat. to stay alive.....if no one could heal you you'd be forced to play smarter and not just rage into battle

[Valmar]

I can easily see the warriors winning if none of the white mages heal, its called focus. play smart.



may i remind you that: -medica 2 does not stack
-regen does not stack
-the time to place regen on every member is equal to the time that one regen will run out, please tell me how to cast a holy in 0 time

Add all that to the fact that people don't want to play healer, so getting 24 healers in an alliance, or even 8 healers in a team will be close to impossible, as getting 2 is already a hard task.

I dont Pvp at all so I mean I could really care less, Medica II stacks in PvE. I was unsure if it stacks or not in PvP, now I know.
The same person doesnt have to cast Regen on everyone. Swift Cast -> Holy. 8 people spamming Holy, plus stun, with Cleric Stance, in BiS PvP gear, thats what 2k+ Holy Crits

Google Is your friend.

Or YouTube.

[Stylelink]

I dont Pvp at all so I mean I could really care less, Medica II stacks in PvE. I was unsure if it stacks or not in PvP, now I know.
The same person doesnt have to cast Regen on everyone. Swift Cast -> Holy. 8 people spamming Holy, plus stun, with Cleric Stance, in BiS PvP gear, thats what 2k+ Holy Crits

Google Is your friend.

Or YouTube.

i don't want to seem aggressive or anything, but if you don't do pvp, you don't know what you are talking about.
-have you heard of stun resist? it happens when you get stunned twice
-2k+ holy crits? i don't know what world you live in, but even in pve i do only half of that, so with ilvl sync in pvp..
-swift cast does not :delete GCD/delete cleric stance cool down,when you cast cleric stance, you are unable to remove it for a certain time, making your heals useless.
-pvp gear has no effect on front lines (except if your ilv is below 80)
-BiS pvp gear? i was unaware there even were many choices for pvp gear.

Now please, if you don't know what you are talking about, stop polluting my thread.

[Yumi_umi]

Imo frontlines ruined the name of healers.
Wolves den at least made healers seem fair due to the fact it was technically which healer dies 1st will decide the match.
We had tools to do dmg and protect ourselves because after purify and attunement was used our only option was to kite and use sacred prism alog with any slow or bind spells we had.
Tanks could do dmg and tank while dps could do dmg and heal to a certain extent.
Everyone was capable of doing another role\\'s job
( healer = tank / dps / healers )
( dps = tank/ dps cuz derp they r like the least difficult role to understand in pvp )
( tanks = a meh dps who has a lot of hp and had a few stuns and ccs )

[Yumi_umi]

frontlines had to ruin it all and make the healer class suffer even more.
- we get interrupted by simple pokes and tickles
- we had to endure countless ppl beating us down in pvp matches as the common meta was zerg healer > caster dps > ranged dps > melee dps > tank.
Sometimes tank would be targetted 1st but thats another story.
- repose got nerfed
- CS was taken out in "BOTH" pvp modes. Y did they take it out of WD too? I\\\\\\\\'ll never understand.
-someone suggested take out healer class from pvp.
* wtf r u smoking, that would cause matches to be zerg fest with super long respawn timers an it would kill off a portion of the pvp player base.

- holy stun had diminishing return, just like sleep had timer DR. Rest in peace pvp,
Only 3.0 can save u now.

[Atreus]

Except Sword Oath and no-Defiance don't allow us to effectively triple our damage output like Cleric Stance does. It was removed thanks to healer stacking. There is no such thing as tank stacking. Basically you're drawing silly comparisons to get a point across. All the changes made it so groups are more inclined to only utilize a necessary number of healers to keep a group going, no more, and ideally no less.

And @ the 8 warriors beating 8 healers... absolute lol.

Edit:

i don't want to seem aggressive or anything, but if you don't do pvp, you don't know what you are talking about.

Though we disagree, that made me laugh. Thank you for saying it haha

[Riepah]

Throwing my voice in with the "No"-sayers.