I don't know what it's called but it isn't right...

[syntaxlies]

Why so defensive? Ok, I'll tell you why. People are making accusations and basically raising the pitch forks without any real proof. Is this behavior odd? Yes, but there is absolutely NO PROOF in this SS that this group is RMT related and even less proof that they are bot related. Posts like these are what create games like FFXIV at launch. Everything in the game was an anti-rmt/ anti-bot measure and look what happened. Here we are a year after launch and a lot of those "limitations" are still in place and a lot of players have left while the RMT and botters (2 different categories of players btw)are still here. People are QQ about RMT obviously haven't played very many MMOs and they are the ones that are the cause of game flops like this one. Stop the QQ and live with it. They are everywhere and you're crying isn't going to do anything other than cause SE to make more freaking mini-games for everything that RMT and botters can just pixel-farm and be ok with it.

tldr: This SS proves nothing and the pointless crying needs to stop since it does nothing but cause games to be released with a score of 4.0

dont act like an RMT jerk off unless you are an RMT jerk off. SE should ban anyone doing this and if hey dont wanna be banned they shouldn't do it. If nothing else they are taking advantage of the game.

[Dubont]

dont act like an RMT jerk off unless you are an RMT jerk off. SE should ban anyone doing this and if hey dont wanna be banned they shouldn't do it. If nothing else they are taking advantage of the game.

so SE should ban everyone who has ever multiboxed? Ok..so..your 2k player base is going to drop down to about 200. Good job.

[syntaxlies]

so SE should ban everyone who has ever multiboxed? Ok..so..your 2k player base is going to drop down to about 200. Good job.

yes they should ban anyone who multi-boxes 8 accounts at the same time.

They shouldn't allow more then 3 accounts to be logged in at a time from a player.

[Dubont]

yes they should ban anyone who multi-boxes 8 accounts at the same time.

but why? It is not against the TOS in any way shape or form. It is perfectly legal, within the bounds of the game and it's rules, to run multiple accounts at once. This is not a bannable offense and should not be as there is absolutely no reason to do it other than to prevent RMT. SE tried to make a game that was anti-RMT...it got a 4.0 and flopped horribly...

[syntaxlies]

but why? It is not against the TOS in any way shape or form. It is perfectly legal, within the bounds of the game and it's rules, to run multiple accounts at once. This is not a bannable offense and should not be as there is absolutely no reason to do it other than to prevent RMT. SE tried to make a game that was anti-RMT...it got a 4.0 and flopped horribly...

let me rephrase it then: Se should make a rule that you cant have more then 3-4 accounts on at a time. 3-4 accounts still leaves plenty of room for multi-boxers and would make it twice as hard for rmt. Anyone who doesn't follow this rule should be banned.

[Rynithon]

let me rephrase it then: Se should make a rule that you cant have more then 3-4 accounts on at a time. 3-4 accounts still leaves plenty of room for multi-boxers and would make it twice as hard for rmt. Anyone who doesn't follow this rule should be banned.

I believe you're already only allowed up to 5 FFXIV services per account.

[syntaxlies]

I believe you're already only allowed up to 5 FFXIV services per account.

not services accounts. They use more then one account.

[Jaide]

but why? It is not against the TOS in any way shape or form. It is perfectly legal, within the bounds of the game and it's rules, to run multiple accounts at once. This is not a bannable offense and should not be as there is absolutely no reason to do it other than to prevent RMT. SE tried to make a game that was anti-RMT...it got a 4.0 and flopped horribly...

The thought of anti-RMT measures being the main factor in the game's poor reception makes me seriously laugh out loud.

Combating RMT is important, even while the game is unpopular, because if it ever gets good the economy is going to be so screwed up by these people stockpiling money that new players will never be able to afford anything. Everyone knows lala trains with starting gear and random names are RMT, stop trying to defend them. You don't need to catch them in the act of trading gil to know what they are up to... it's plainly obvious. At the very least reports like this should be investigated and not so easily dismissed.

[AngryNixon]

The thought of anti-RMT measures being the main factor in the game's poor reception makes me seriously laugh out loud.

Combating RMT is important, even while the game is unpopular, because if it ever gets good the economy is going to be so screwed up by these people stockpiling money that new players will never be able to afford anything. Everyone knows lala trains with starting gear and random names are RMT, stop trying to defend them. You don't need to catch them in the act of trading gil to know what they are up to... it's plainly obvious. At the very least reports like this should be investigated and not so easily dismissed.

Leaving aside your "Everyone knows..." comment and the "You don't need to catch them in the act..." comment, which are sweeping generalizations FYI. Things like this most certainly SHOULD be reported, to the right venue (the STF). I'm not sure where you are getting your information that "reports like this" are being "easily dismissed". Is it the lack of reply from the developers to posts of this nature being dumped into the general discussion forum which is entirely the wrong venue?

You can't call Tom and get pissed when Bob never calls you back. Also you don't know if some forum rep discretely passed this along to the STF, nor should you expect to know since again, this is entirely the wrong venue. Send it to the right place to the responsible parties, and then it's out of your hands. At that point you've done your due diligence (assuming there was any); the end.

[Jaide]

Leaving aside your "Everyone knows..." comment and the "You don't need to catch them in the act..." comment, which are sweeping generalizations FYI. Things like this most certainly SHOULD be reported, to the right venue (the STF). I'm not sure where you are getting your information that "reports like this" are being "easily dismissed". Is it the lack of reply from the developers to posts of this nature being dumped into the general discussion forum which is entirely the wrong venue?

You can't call Tom and get pissed when Bob never calls you back. Also you don't know if some forum rep discretely passed this along to the STF, nor should you expect to know since again, this is entirely the wrong venue. Send it to the right place to the responsible parties, and then it's out of your hands. At that point you've done your due diligence (assuming there was any); the end.

My comment was mainly in response to Dubont's 'move along, nothing to see here' attitude toward something that should be investigated. Some people need to be less apathetic towards this behavoir, and his comment about anti-RMT measures causing the game to receive a poor review makes it sound like he is actually in support of no action on SE's part at all.

I suppose not 'everyone' knows what these people are up to - but those with common sense do. The original post was a plea for action, and if someone behind the scenes secretly brought this to the attention of someone who can do something about it - then that's great. My guess is that nothing will be done about it.