Please no more "grind" relic quests before the expansion

[Deculture]

Not hard, just really boring because it doesn't introduce anything new (and often requires you to make you spam certain content until I grow to hate it) :/

True enough, I do think that they're just using the relic questline to inject older content with a constant stream of players in an effort to reduce queue times. Hopefully in Heavensward they push out actual content for the new relics rather than rehashing old content over and over again.

[LaylaTsarra]

I did like... x30 SV and x23 Copperbells and I was okay with it. I also did the whole quest twice. Still okay with that. The only thing that bothers me is the pre-nexus and the light farming.

Light farming is the worst for me given it locks you into one role in order to get that accomplished. I prefer to play multiple roles. I did the quest series twice too with a Lilith Rod and Yoichi's bow to show for it. Some dungeons were a bit tiring but overall I preferred this to some of the other portions of the relic quest. I'm looking forward to finishing my light collecting for my bravura axe and will then start the quest line a 3rd time.

[Zumi]

I am calling it now there will be a pay 50k to some npc to catch up type of deal, so new players won't have to do level 50 content to start their relics when the lv60 cap is out.

[Deculture]

More likely they'll either scrap the entire 2.0 relic questline for Heavensward or come out with an entirely new one for the expansion while still offering an upgrade path for those that did the 2.0 version (like FFXI did).

This allows players that did the original questline to be able to keep upgrading their current relic while new players will start off on even footing with the start of the new 3.0 relic questline.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

No matter how you slice it, there's going to be grinding in the expansion. It's not an MMO if there's no grind.

[Yukiko]

SE can call it a timesink or to keep content alive, cause in the end it won't work.

How I see it the game is currently divided between these three kind of people (talking about relic):
1) People that rush through
2) People that are behind, cause of a break or they're new to the game.
3) The players that literally ignore the relic, because it's just not viable with their playtimes or they just don't care about it anymore.

I'm one of those people that can't put in hours into the game, cause I have more things to do. I really want to get the final relic, but with the amount of time I spend ingame I would be able to do like.... one dungeon have my dailies. So if you look at what you need to do for all of them, and the time it would take me in the end I just gave up on it. To be honest I think that's kind of unfair for the players that want to, but just can't.

The Problem is SE is calculating from a player who already have finished all presteps and is doing the new questline the fastest possible. Then they make it so that those players need the whole time (or mostly a lot of the time) before the next upgrade comes and it continues... Because many complains from "normal" players they downscale this setting lets say 1/10 and the result is what we have now with zodiac questline.

I suggest to write a diary of what content you play and when you play, including what happens (disconnect, kicks, wipes, raids...).
That is the only way for us to tell SE how off they are with their time management.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Light farming is the worst for me given it locks you into one role in order to get that accomplished. I prefer to play multiple roles. I did the quest series twice too with a Lilith Rod and Yoichi's bow to show for it. Some dungeons were a bit tiring but overall I preferred this to some of the other portions of the relic quest. I'm looking forward to finishing my light collecting for my bravura axe and will then start the quest line a 3rd time.

Dungeons generate 2 to 3 times more light than primals do. (6/8 for dungeons vs 2/4 for primals) You can pretty much farm both steps at the same time once you've finished your first.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Except dungeons also take 2 to 3 times longer than killing primals.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Except dungeons also take 2 to 3 times longer than killing primals.

Which is why you end up working on both stages in parallel.

Farming more than 500 primals and then farming 15 dungeons for a 15% drop chance takes longer than farming less than 334 dungeons for light and 15% drops.

Also the 334 dungeons will net you a couple mill in gil at the same time.

[Skeith-Adeline]

What drops are you talking about? You make it seem as if you can farm Zodiac Dungeon drops before obtaining (in my case) a Lilith Rod.

Nexus Light was easily the most annoying step.