Is pre-buffing neccessary?

[aisustrong]

As for the commendations, I give mine to the one that does the best in their job class... There have been some instances I've not given any and others where I wish I had 3-7 commends to give because the team was just that awesome, but I often find that most of the SCH's I run into are very horrible, with lazy healing/buffing. They don't do much past the first Protect/SS/Succor other than heal the tank, they just DPS and rely on the pocket fairy to heal. Those types of SCH's don't even get to glimpse at my commendation...

yeah i see a lot of these

just becuase youve got a mini cnj in your back pocket doesnt mean you dont need to pay attention

[Tranquil]

I often find that most of the SCH's I run into are very horrible, with lazy healing/buffing. They don't do much past the first Protect/SS/Succor other than heal the tank, they just DPS and rely on the pocket fairy to heal. Those types of SCH's don't even get to glimpse at my commendation...

yeah i see a lot of these

just becuase youve got a mini cnj in your back pocket doesnt mean you dont need to pay attention

Sounds absurd to me if you guys are referring to most of the pugged content in this game (ie. content with very little or infrequent AOE-healing required, and or the groups overgearing the content by a mile).

If you have a SCH that keeps tabs on their heals as needed (ie. keeping the tanks topped off as required) while contributing to the DPS and shuffling fairy buffs as need be - what more would you want? The SCH refreshing Succors on full HP bars each time the 30s is duration up? Casting untraited Stoneskins on the party "just in case"? Being idle half of the time and then casting Physick while otherwise alt-tabbed most of the time?

Just because a healer does DPS does not mean "they are not paying attention";it could be the exact opposite, ie. they have calculated the resource usage required for the incoming damage, knowing the fight in full and having backup plans for when the shit hits the fan.

I do agree that there are tons of SCHs who don't do the dexterous multitasking thing well at all, ie. if they go Cleric Stance-mode, they can only do that like a robot but can't react to the healing required and other ever-changing variables on the battlefield. Similarly, there are also SCHs who can only do decent when it comes to their healing game but suck at their DPS-game. Now, we could get into an argument about whether healers "should" DPS or not, but instead of going there, I am just gonna say that if I am gonna commend a SCH, I always give it to the person who balances their healing game and DPS-game well at the required level.

[aisustrong]

I do agree that there are tons of SCHs who don't do the dexterous multitasking thing well at all, ie. if they go Cleric Stance-mode, they can only do that like a robot but can't react to the healing required and other ever-changing variables on the battlefield. Similarly, there are also SCHs who can only do decent when it comes to their healing game but suck at their DPS-game. Now, we could get into an argument about whether healers "should" DPS or not, but instead of going there, I am just gonna say that if I am gonna commend a SCH, I always give it to the person who balances their healing game and DPS-game well at the required level.

i said nothing about healers that dps
im perfectly fine with a healer dealing damage, as long as it doesnt get in the way of them keeping everyone alive
ive seen plenty that just stand there
literally just stand there and do nothing with eos on auto

[Tranquil]

i said nothing about healers that dps
im perfectly fine with a healer dealing damage, as long as it doesnt get in the way of them keeping everyone alive
ive seen plenty that just stand there
literally just stand there and do nothing with eos on auto

Aight, that assessment I certainly can agree with, the quotation was mostly referring to the guy who you quoted (who mentioned "lazy healers who DPS"). You can see it's a new scholar or just a bad scholar when you see those auto-Eos guys, when the fairy blows everything on engaging.

@ExiledOne: the heal still happens, so even if a HP bar doesn't go up by the corresponding amount - it will still shield the people hit by it by the same numerical value. Ie. if you do a 500 Succor on a full HP bar - the person getting hit by some damage while Galvanize is up will have 500 damage chipped off of the full damage.

[ExiledOne]

question about Succor. (I'm new to SCH)
Succor creates barrier which nullifies same damage as was healed, but if the HP bars were full then no heal took place, so can it really be considered a pre-buff?

[Kazumac]

question about Succor. (I'm new to SCH)
Succor creates barrier which nullifies same damage as was healed, but if the HP bars were full then no heal took place, so can it really be considered a pre-buff?

The heal applies and so does the shield even if they are full health. I abuse the crap out of succor when I SCH. If it content that has lots of AOE or splash damage I like to make sure everyone has a little green next to thier health bar. And if you know a hit is coming but peeps are at full health you should cast that succor.

Also while I hardly cast heals from my SCH during 4 man content... I micro the shit out of my fairy and use my buffs... So I am not directly healing but my fairy isn't usually on auto pilot. Seeing Eos on auto by another SCH makes me cringe ><

[Neo-Dark]

Seeing Eos on auto by another SCH makes me cringe ><

You'd probably cringe seeing me heal then. I use Selene on Sic 99% of the time. More killin' less healin'! >.>

On topic;

Prebuffing in my opinion depends on the group, and the content. Like I do;
Trial Roulette Content pre-2.5; Succor
2.5 content/ex's, Succor, Adlo on MT
Raids, Adlo Crit, Succor
CT? No. Never know WHEN it'll FINALLY be pulled.
Your average Dungeon; Adlo on the tank.

Overall though it should all depend on the content, how much time you have to prepare, and how much you really care. In general the first 10 seconds or so the average content in the game won't kill a tank that quick. In general, it doesn't matter whether the tank is buffed, as soon as Aero's been fired, Cleric stance comes down for an adlo or a succor, so people will be shielded then anyay.

In conclusion, prebuffing; (other than Protect) is it necessary? Not for most content, no, just can be helpful.